I agree with most of what you say.I think Michael has been pretty rude and intolerant when he was obsessing about Denise,Kirk was an absolute nob and horrible when spurned.

Frankie has said some pretty obnoxious things and has got away with it seemingly.

But the women are much more dominant in this series,Denise is a big character and whatever you think of her shes made it all happen.

I loathe the twins and everything they represent. They are arrogant greedy hardfaced women who have chosen to work in the sex industry and yet expect people to ignore that and treat them like princesses.

Nicola is another ignorant cow who made her name showing her boobs and now acts all holier than thou.I believe if you sell your body for money as a glamour model or a ho in the Hefner brothel then youve no right to the moral highground.

I agree with most of what you have said above ^^ Cupcake  Denise was wrong she did apologise wether she meant it or not ..I dont know ..but she is like a dog with a bone she kept coming back starting it all up again. I cannot abide Nicola but she did get involved because Denise said they take their clothes off for a living as if that gave her the right to do what she did, Nicola  said she went topless as a page three girl she would not go topless in the house or let anyone pull her clothes up or down,Denise does what she does best and brought up other things which had nothing to do with the arguement,from there on in they all went OTT.. if Denise had kept her hands to herself none of this would have happened..seeing those pictures in the other thread and seeing Denise last night creeped me out a bit to be honest.

Denise did apologise and the twin said "I will forgive you in the morning but right now I am pissed" she then walked away from the situation. Denise wouldn't let it lie she kept digging herself deeper and then insulted both girls and Nicola by insinuating because they take their clothes off outside the house they shouldn't be offended by her revealing their bodies.

It all went downhill from there and they all became screaming harpies but at the end of the day it was Denise who started it.

Scotty

Marguerita    

I don’t know if my view will be popular either, but…

I just feel Karissa should have been allowed to dance to the music without having her pants pulled down or interfered with by Denise or anyone for that matter.

Also, and despite everything; I think Kristina twin seems quite sweet!

It's all very difficult isn't it?

One bunch of people who for what they contribute may as well not be there.

One bunch of modern precious letigious types.

An honest decent hard working local girl who likes a drink and a good laugh.

I have to say a lot of what has been said about the twins is true but they made me change my mind from a huge generalisation I made when they first went in ie all tits no brain.. I love USA BB and all the tactical planning that goes on so to see it from them in there made CBB for me. . I love it..

of course last night was  OTT with the reactions but am pretty sure if Denise learnt boundaries and backed off when told to it wouldn't have blown up so much ..but then with Denise everything is everybody else's fault and once she starts chewing a bone she won't let it go. .

Watched BOTS [hawk spit] after and Denise's mate was on there and couldn't understand why someone would get upset having their arse revealed just out of the blue like that while innocently dancing...  she says when her and Densie and their friends go out it happens all the time and is classed as normal behaviour for them to flash boobs and arse.. what a nice bunch of 'ladies'  isn't that what dopey teenagers do in Ibiza on their first holiday's alone without parents. .overdo the booze and act like trollops..  most people tend to grow out of that phase, if they even enter it in the first place.. 

Who drinks too much, makes a fool of herself, regrets it in the morning, cries, never learns.

She may think her behaviour is a good laugh..others obviously don`t.   

Rather like someone on an OU summer school, she may be treating it as a holiday.

 Having been on one of those myself I like the analogy GJ

My take on the incident is that Karissa was milking her airtime. 

I don't for one minute condone what Denise did I think she is a very weird individual  who also likes to grab the airtime, and does it in the way she knows best by getting pished and behaving like a teenage attention seeking drunk.Her sexual bounderies are something that need checking,as does her alcohol intake.

By the way, was it just me who saw Denise grab Karissas boobs when the were all stood on the sofa, because no one, including Karissa has mentioned that, and I think that was out of order as well, and that's one of the reasons I think Karissa was trying to act again, as she wasn't outraged by that.

Back to Karissa. These girls have said that they know how to work the programme they have done it many times, and I am sure it was all an act in the diary room, as, their acting will not take them to Stratford that's for sure. It was like watching their "Argument" all over again, if you look at Krystina in the diary room where Karissa is crying and saying "I love you", you can just see Krystina smirk as she puts her head into Karissas armpit! 

Denise was wrong and apologised, I would have knocked her block of if I were out with her and she had done that to me... the funny thing is, I think Denise would agree she probably deserved it. She behaves stupidly when she's had drink, but I don't think she's the devil incarnate and without her the show would have been so very different. 

The twins...calculating every second of every day IMO. don't like them one bit, although it should never have happened, I think they carried it on more than Denise  

Michael only comes to life to disagree with everything Denise does, his dislike of her seems the only thing that's kept in in the top four of the betting, because for the life of me I can't really remember him doing anything else 

Frankie handled it better than anyone, the lad seems to be growing up in a very short time 

edited idiot mistake 

I agree Dame.

thanks Sezit  It made sense when I typed it for a change 

*whispers - Do you mean Frankie?*

Him too   I must stay off the booze....runs to edit, thanks Cinds 

*whispers* I hope so. I saw Kirk handle a few things, but they were all in his trousers. 

I noticed Dame, but I was being polite and not mentioning it.

  Looks like it....p*ssed every night.  

Frankie was the only grown up in the whole of that fiasco

I did love Gareths input "I don't care....I don't care...I don't care" 

 Yes.... 

I think Romeo sniggering, when Karissa came out and told them what had happened, started all the trouble!  

 Could be ..... I would have loved to have seen what went on, and what was said, between the initial *tug* that we saw and the twin going off on one....... I think incidents like this make it clear that we need LF

Same here, Baz. 

They're fab, total hypocrites but I love the way they have took a BBUSA approach in there.

I've seen both the positive and negative sides to them in the heavily edited footage we get to see and so glad I had a turnaround in opinion from launch night.

Hi Darloboy

Yes I love how they see it as a GAME. Of course other HMs do too [probably] but at least the twins are honest..

I didn't mind them at first but have now gone right off them 

Ditto.....