Dave had no option, he has to protect our financial services because apparently they are our biggest exporter...(of what I don't know). However, signing up to the latest Franco/German wheeze would have meant that any monies generated from regulation would have gone to prop up the Euro instead of into UK coffers.
As an aside....Germany has been printing Deutschmarks, perhaps even Angela has realised it's a dead duck
Dave had no option, he has to protect our financial services because apparently they are our biggest exporter...(of what I don't know). However, signing up to the latest Franco/German wheeze would have meant that any monies generated from regulation would have gone to prop up the Euro instead of into UK coffers.
As an aside....Germany has been printing Deutschmarks, perhaps even Angela has realised it's a dead duck
i think his option was to be a better negotiator on our behalf.
by all accounts he spat the dummy.
France were never going to concede though...
Dave had no option, he has to protect our financial services because apparently they are our biggest exporter...(of what I don't know). However, signing up to the latest Franco/German wheeze would have meant that any monies generated from regulation would have gone to prop up the Euro instead of into UK coffers.
As an aside....Germany has been printing Deutschmarks, perhaps even Angela has realised it's a dead duck
i think his option was to be a better negotiator on our behalf.
by all accounts he spat the dummy.
But maybe not as bad as Sarkozy who (I hear tell) had to be restrained, well of course Sarkozy is due for re-election very soon.
Dave had no option, he has to protect our financial services because apparently they are our biggest exporter...(of what I don't know). However, signing up to the latest Franco/German wheeze would have meant that any monies generated from regulation would have gone to prop up the Euro instead of into UK coffers.
As an aside....Germany has been printing Deutschmarks, perhaps even Angela has realised it's a dead duck
i think his option was to be a better negotiator on our behalf.
by all accounts he spat the dummy.
But maybe not as bad as Sarkozy who (I hear tell) had to be restrained, well of course Sarkozy is due for re-election very soon.
Getting themselves annoyed now are they, now that they know they can't play ball with OUR money 
i think you'll find its angel'a money thats propping up the euro..
we dont have any money left, gordon pissed it all away in the boom hopin to get re-elected.
i think you'll find its angel'a money thats propping up the euro..
Sadly nobody's money is propping up the euro, saving the euro seemed to be the last thing on their minds at the conference, odd that isn't it? 
The poor guy is dead now. But it seems that he had it right all along. Step forward Charles de Gaulle!
Those of us who travel regularly to Europe observe how it works and understand that sharing isn't really our bag.
No word for gemuetlichkeit in the English language. We are called "Island Monkeys" for a reason!
island apes.. insel affen
i think you'll find its angel'a money thats propping up the euro..
Sadly nobody's money is propping up the euro, saving the euro seemed to be the last thing on their minds at the conference, odd that isn't it?
the hope is that tightening up the rules to join the euro and keep those already in it safe, will save the euro.(maybe they should have stuck to the criteria they initially had in year one)
and to date the only european counrty with any money( they dished out 4million from an unexpected tax surplus last month to the population)is germany, and Angel is fighting a backlash against pouring german money into the ecb to rescue greece and ireland.
thing is the veto achieved nothing, the other 26 countries will go ahead anyways, regardless if we are with them or not.
the only difference being is that we will have no input, so that's Dave's' isn't wasn't beneficial to us , so i didn't sign up'
proved to be a waste of time and effort.
he has gained absolutely nothing apart from irritating 26 other countries, several of whom really do regret that we won't have any input, and who see the UK as a reign on Frances united states of europe, passion.
Good post.
I don't understand the national sovereignty argument. Maybe someone will explain it one day. It seems that we allow the USA to be hegemonic and inflict their shieght lifestyle on us at the drop of a hat. We also know that they won't allow a United States of Europe.
Agreed, Joe
This country has been kissing America's backside for far too long. When they realise that we don't hold any sway in Europe then see how long the so-called 'Special Relationship' lasts
i think you'll find its angel'a money thats propping up the euro..
Sadly nobody's money is propping up the euro, saving the euro seemed to be the last thing on their minds at the conference, odd that isn't it?
the hope is that tightening up the rules to join the euro and keep those already in it safe, will save the euro.(maybe they should have stuck to the criteria they initially had in year one)
and to date the only european counrty with any money( they dished out 4million from an unexpected tax surplus last month to the population)is germany, and Angel is fighting a backlash against pouring german money into the ecb to rescue greece and ireland.
I don't understand the national sovereignty argument. Maybe someone will explain it one day. It seems that we allow the USA to be hegemonic and inflict their shieght lifestyle on us at the drop of a hat. We also know that they won't allow a United States of Europe.
Agreed, Joe
This country has been kissing America's backside for far too long. When they realise that we don't hold any sway in Europe then see how long the so-called 'Special Relationship' lasts
And why didn't they stick to those criteria? Instead of allowing all and sundry in and allowing them to slosh European cash around and 'forget' about paying their taxes. And who is next to have a change of government imposed on them? Ireland?
Do you mean the 'special relationship' this country has had with America long before there was any talk of a 'Common Market' let alone what creation it has now metamorphosed into?
If you study your history you will find that there were many transnational trading agreements in Europe. The Hanseatic League, to take one example, existed I think, from the C14th or mebbees C15th. We had Dutch Engineers working in East Anglia, all long before The USA was a twinkle in Chris Columbus' eye.
(But not before Leif Ericson, so it's a bit dependant on your view of History too)
Carping from the sidelines hasn't helped anything. We all know the Tories hate Europe and are still fighting the war. Tories and their supporters need to get over the war!
The fact was Brown and Blair had more influence in Europe than the Tories because they believed that Europe was a union of countries which squabbled but were greater than the sum of their parts whereas the Tories have always seen other European nations as the competition to screw over. Of course Brown and Blair wanted the best for the UK, but never the less, they understood that other nations in Europe weren't there to roll over for the UK's benefit.
Tories believe in a trading block in the sense that they see it as markets for the UK to screw over. The problem with that position is that obviously other nations might not take kindly to a club member that wants to screw them over.
And that's how it is!
I am pretty rocky on all things political but I am not getting your anti conservative points there at all 
Strikes me that all the time we've been in the EU we've done nothing but bail others out and barely get anything for this country at all. .Look at the state Germany was in when it was first reunited. .they were completely broke and everybody broke their backs to get them on a good financial track again.. and all the other countries that went broke but got bailed out by the 'richer' ones.. or got loads of EU funds to help them ..I recall when my mother was alive travelling to Ireland regularly and there was building going on everywhere and all of it had signs saying paid for by the EU yet they still had to be bailed out .. the community was just throwing money around left right and centre... all they want to do now is to make sure they can protect our finances by dictating what the financial institutions in this country must do ie have a good bit of capital behind them in case it goes tits up again. .plus have control over how we run our country in the future without being dictated to by others, the majority of which don't follow the rules anyway but expect to sanction us if we break them..
Just my take on it but I may be wrong... as I said am not up with politics and how stuff works. .but I too agree that the first year Hogwarts reject Ed Milliband would have done the same too..
as a caveat I should add that I am sick of all the party's now and would probably not vote if there was another election soon.. but felt like having an Olly uneducated waffle anyway.. 
We haven't bailed anyone out, at least pre-banking crisis. I think Europe has a right to be annoyed with us as the banking crisis can be mainly attributed to the Square Mile and Manhattan. Coincidently, George Osborne seemed particularly impressed by Ireland's property bubble.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/t...ies-115875-22728518/
Do we 'have control'? I'm afraid it's an illusion of control. The bogeyman is hidden but it suits the Tories to pretend he doesn't exist, just as it suits the Tories to present Europe as the bogeyman.
Those who have control are those who the Tories are happy to have in control, such as Rupert Murdoch and the bankers. The Tories aren't bothered about London becoming a playground for oligarchs and oil barons.
We aren't being dictated to but never the less why dictate when you can just slip notes into the pockets of compliant MPs? All the better to just shove bribes in the hands of politicians and let them do the dirty work.
"First year Hogwarts reject", what the hell are you prattling on about?
I doubt Ed would have done the same. Labour got their agenda in Europe through co-operation whereas Cameron just wants to appease the swivel eyed English Nationalist loons in the Home Counties who are mentally still fighting WW2. Compare how Gordon Brown was able to push Britain's agenda abroad during the banking crisis to that pathetic over grown public schoolboy we have as a PM. What an embarrassment he is!
"First year Hogwarts reject", what the hell are you prattling on about?
Just every time I see him on the box I imagine him in a black cloak running with the others to the great hall for dinner or sat in magic class with his head in a book.. and when he starts speaking it just reinforces it for me. .can't help the impression someone leaves on me but he doesn't have the air of a 'leader' but neither do the other chinless wonders..
I also said in my post I am not an expect at anything and am willing to learn from all quarters so I can formulate a better opinion.. usually by trying to find the middle of either sides opinion cos it is less likely to be tempered with personal interests.. but I really hate to see vitriol against any party cos I reckon they are all the same however they get there, the end result will not be any different. . I think any government anywhere has big business as it's first priority and its citizens as an afterthought..
'We aren't being dictated to' Carnelian? Tell that to our beleagured fishing industry to name only one of the ways in which we are being prevented from doing things the best way for our country.
Tell that to our beleagured fishing industry to name only one of the ways in which we are being prevented from doing things the best way for our country.
I'm surprised the Tories didn't shut them down aswell!
They shut down/asset stripped our great North East industries. Not even that 'itler one could do that.
One of my ambitions has been to cross swords again with the individual who argued that industry was old hat, something of the past, old tech, and that the London based service and finance "industry" would keep us going.
