Wow, most people can't decide/aren't sure... and that is how I feel ....  Interesting...

there's a lot of things about this case that disturb me.  I'm not sure if he's guilty of Jackson's death and from the little I've seen of the case, I'm not sure the prosecution have totally put forward a strong enough case.  Neither, it has to be said, has the defence.

 

Things that have got me thinking though are that I'm not entirely convinced he can get an unbiased trial due to Jackson's fame.  No matter how  much the jury will assert that they're there to try a case based on the evidence, I do feel that Jackson's fame will play a major role.

 

I also feel that these doctors (employed by the rich and famous) are greedy and look for the money from any star that they know has a long history of medical needs (legal and illegal)  and look to supplement their income in this way without any regard for the consequences - the 'star' is just a cash cow until it all goes wrong.

 

On that note, shouldn't all of Jackson's previous doctors from the last decade or so be standing trial with Murray because in their own way, they've all contributed towards Jackson's death?  And surely some of this should be attributed to Jackson himself or was he too famous to take responsibility for his own actions? Add his managers and agents to that list as well as Jackson's own family.

 

I understand why the trial is going ahead and I understand that Dr Murray is at the very least responsible for using techniques (profonol) outside of a medical establishment so for that alone, he should be charged with death due to gross negligence.  Is it enough to warrant manslaughter though?  I'm not sure.

 

On a final note, does anyone know if Dr Murray was the first doctor to give profonol as a sedative or did previous doctors give it to Jackson?  It's been driving me nuts as no one in my circle of friends seems to know?   If he was the first then I would say yes he is guilty of manslaughter because that technique has no business taking place outside of a hospital and should only be used for operations.  If he continued it from an previous doctor then no.

 

Finally, yeah I said that already  whilst I am sure that the Jackson family are absolutely devastated over Michael's death, I can't help but see dollar signs in their eyes should this doctor be convicted because they will almost certainly want to sue him and his practice.  They must have known Jackson was spiralling into a drug induced life years before his death so why didn't they take responsibility and try and help? How far suing gets them is anyone's guess because I understand Dr Murray only took Jackson on to clear debts!!!!

 

I'll get my coat

I said undecided just in case it wasn't clear from my bit above

Good post Pengy   (The long one)  

Sorry I didn't mean it to be so long    questions, questions and not enough answers for me 

Don't apologise babe.    It was a great post and I agree with everything you say, and I also feel a bit funny about the rest of the Jacksons and how they seem to be determined to make someone carry the can for this, and they seem desperate for someone to be prosecuted.. I would want that too if my child or sibling had been killed through medical neglect, but I don't think that is what this was.  Michael didnt have a gun to his head when he took the drugs...  It's tragic that he died, but at the end of the day, is it really the doctors fault directly? And yes, what about all the doctors BEFORE this dude?

 

He took tons of painkillers because of the pain he suffered because of all the plastic surgery he had.  He had so much surgery to alter his face, because his father told him continually how ugly he was and that he had a big flat nose and huge lips (and there were worse things which I will refrain from posting..suffice to say, his dad was cruel to him.)

 

Something to think about... there are a mulitude of people that can be 'blamed.' if you think about it.

that just about sums it up Sparkles 

 

 

Just my opinion, any doctor prescribing propofol  and then administering it in someone's bedroom, whether it be Michael Jackson or Joe Bloggs,,,is guilty of gross misconduct. I've watched quite a bit of the trial and once again this is only my opinion, Conrad Murray is greedy self centred fool, made massive misjudgements all for the sake of money. Administered a drug only used in certain circumstance with specialized monitors to ensure the safety of patients.

 

I don't believe MJ took this drug orally, but even if he did, Conrad Murray supplied it. Then tried to cover up events and times....he knew without a shadow of doubt what he did was dangerous and wrong.  

Thanks Dame,  and you are entitled to your views of course, and yes you do have a point... Me?  I just cannot make up my mind fully.

Your Dameshipo *bows*  do you know if Murray was the first to administer the propofol to him?

 

I totally agree about him being greedy - it's no secret he was up to his eyes in debt and saw Jackson as a cash cow. 

 

Me, I can't do grey area's, Profocol should never have been given in those circumstances, I've no doubt in my mind I wouldn't let him prescribe me a aspirin  

Anyhoo, thanks for the chat folks.  See you all later... 

 

 

Pengy, my wadding friend 

 

I've heard nothing to suggest he had taken the drug before Pengy... earlier in the trial it was mentioned that MJ had asked Conrad Murray to supply the drug he had during his operations. I can't remember exactly Pengy hoe it was worded, but it sounded like this was the first time he had thought about using this drug to help him with this tour.  

I'm soooo unsure

BUT - he should be struck off if he provided the meds  - Proprofonal (sp?)

(not been following the case  - sorry)

Fankoo your Dameship *coursey* I wasn't sure if it was the first, in that case, yes he is guilty because I don't think propofol should be used as a sedative outside of hospital operations - you've helped make my mind up   but I still think all the other doctors in charge of Jackson's care are equally responsible for his poor state of health and this contributed to his death.

 

I'm in total agreement with you Pengy 

I think he is guilty of a lack of care to his patient to such a degree that the patient died.

 

So I reckon  the doctor is guilty of manslaughter.

Only because he had no intention of killing anyone,but he was grossly negligent.

 

 

yep, my thoughts exactly Jackson...he gave him it knowing the risks,. rash actions and greed, he should be found guilty of manslaughter. You can bet your bottom dollar, if it had been Joe Bloggs on the street not paying mega bucks, there was no way Murray would have prescribed it. 

and having prescribed it, he then  wandered off to another room to make  phone calls.

 

 feckin eejit.

 

 

Yep  unbelievable really. All the drug containers with the name of the Doctor ripped off didn't look to good either. 

he saw the dollar signs and took them. i dont think he should be allowed to carry on as a doctor.

Not guilty.

IMO there is a battle as to who is using MJ as a cash cow. His family are winning at the moment.

 especially that Papa Joe Jackson. How the bloody hell can anyone get general anaesthetic medication on prescription anyway?

Conrad Murray failed in his duty of care for MJ, for that he is 100% guilty, and should be struck off.

 

As others have stated Dr. Murray was too greedy to even stop and think about the tragic consequences of taking such a powerful drug.

 

Michael had an addiction, and this doctor did nothing to help Michael other than send Michael to an early grave.

 

Michael himself a drug addict lied to his family for years about his drug use, so in this case I don't think the doctor is fully to blame but I guess the Jacksons along with Jackson's loyal fanbase find it easier to blame a greedy doctor, rather than address the real issue that Michael Jackson was an uhappy, manic, drug addict for many years, and the constant abuse he put his body through year after year finally took it's toll.

That David Guest one has also stuck his oar in btw.

It's all about MONEY......you only have to look at people who have had plastic surgery (including Michael) who now look like monsters......Their surgeons didn't care, and if offered more MONEY would carry on "Tweeking" their looks...

 

Michael wanted drugs........ 

 

don't disagree with you GJ, I said in my first post that his family have only seen dollar signs but I doubt they'll get anything as this guy is in debt up to his eyeballs 

 they're all up to their murky little eyeballs in it but it's easier to sling the blame elsewhere 

Another point........ I'm not sure whether relationships with Doctors at MJ 's level can be equated with our NHS system. The system there seems a little more commercial than here. I'm sure that most of us respect our GP's advice and decisions whereas across there maybe the Doc has to pander to the punter. As it were.

well not sure that adds up to a  verdict.

I don't know much about the American justice fiasco ( apart from the fact that some states are quite happy to execute defenceless individuals.) Nevertheless I believe the Doc is innocent unless proved guilty. I'm not an expert mind. (no verdict today according to R5)

exactly...i guess you don't say 'no' to michael jackson...