I agree. But alas! We are in the minority. I live in Durhamshire and I'm quite certain that the royal family didn't shut down our mines. It was the party recently elected to govern ( and their twatty Lib Dem pals- vote no to AV etc)

I'm voting Yes to AV - but I think that'll mean the LibDems end up somewhere behind UKIP and the Yogic Fliers in popularity, which is great.

The Middletongs didn't close our mines, but twats from the same echelon did. "Oh, so what do miners DO, exactly?.."

I'm siding no to AV.

 

At least with the present system, flaws and all, there's more opportunity to hold the government to their manifesto.  And frankly, the way the Lib Dems have behaved (not just Clegg), the prospect of more hung parliaments with them holding positions of power - which would surely happen, in the short term at least - is hardly appealing.

 

F*ck 'em.

I suspect AV means a Tory or Labour government less likely. Instead we'll end up with Lib Dems, and probably an odd Green, or UKIP, EDL, or other ersatz fascist type, unable to make decision, loop de loop, sock cooker.

Never mind fecking AV - is it better to be a social climbing tart than to be part of this country's fabric that fuelled its progrerss in the modern world?

How is it "better" to be Kate Middleton and barely work a day in her life than to be a miner whose toil helped make this country great?

The thing is, the Lib Dems have long held on to an image that they were the 'sensible' ones.  The civilised ones.  Even those of us who voted for different parties thought perhaps a Lib Dem government someday might be a good thing.  Not only for a change but because they seemed separate from the bi-partisan yaa boo politics.

 

But in the present incarnation they've proved themselves more venal and mendacious than anything the Tories or Labour could dream up. 

 

I hope they lose the AV referendum and are destroyed at the next election.

The mere fact that vile toadies like Wichell refer to the future bride as a 'commoner' tells you all you need to know, Demantoid.  It's the last gasp of a hopefully soon to be bygone era.

I think people need to look past AV as something Nick Clegg wanted.

It's the last good idea he had before he sold his soul, or whatever passes for it.

Don't let Clegg-hatred (and I hate the chinless, morally bankrupt little tosser) stand in the way of progressive electoral reform.

Well, we thought that last time, when Diana was "only" a Lady, rather some bona fide foreign princess.

The snobbery this time is even worse. Her ancestors were "only" fecking miners. Miners have given this country a million times more than Waity Katy and her repulsive parents ever did.

 

I'll admit, the Clegg factor is difficult to overcome.  I would hold my nose and vote for it though if I thought it was a good idea.  I still might - I'm on the fence.

 

But more Lib Dems in government is not appealing.  And it's not only Nick Clegg who has been a dick.  Far from it.

   In one way I wanna vote......in one way I wanna leave them all to it.......does my vote really count any way?

AV won't mean more LibDems. Clegg thought so before the election, but he's already been proved wrong. NO-ONE trusts the LibDems - the Barnsley by-election in March was a fair indication.

Last May at the General Election: LibDems a close second behind Labour.

By-election because Lab MP died in March: LibDems lost their electoral deposit and were 6th behind UKIP, BNPand a local Independent candidate.

In some benighted parts of the country it might mean more BNPs and UKIPs. But it will also mean more Independents, Greens and others.

Good for democracy!

Not if they junk half of the manifesto they were elected on.  Which is what has happened with this coalition. 

I wish this hadn't turned into a political thread - I'm sure there are others - I just wanted to know what people thought of Kate Middleton being considered  "better" than her forefathers who actually worked for a living..

Deman, this forum being of the nature that it is............

Think it was the  tone of the programme .. there's a stack of folk that will think she's better for having come from a mining family !

I didn't see it but Nick Witchell is an obnoxious prick anyway so they chose the right person to host the programme. Make me wonder if someone like, I dunno, Fern Britton had hosted it (or someone of that nature) - would it have come across differently?

 

And no, I don't think she's better than her forefathers. I find the whole Royal/commoner divide ignorant and redundant. May have worked 30 years ago but not in modern society. I think with the way the Tories are ruling the roost and screwing the nation, people are pissed off with being treated like shit. They wonder why they are losing their appeal, well programmes like this should answer their questions.

I tweasn't a separate programme, it was an item on the Six O'Clock News on BBC1, which as been doing various royal wedding shite over the pasdt week or so.

Most of them just bore me, this one made me boiling mad. She's "better" because her fricking parents deliberately educated her in schools where she'd meet the "right" set and then sent her to the same college as William in the hopes they'd hook up?

Sounds positively Tudor to me.

 

That mother needs a kick up the arse, grooming her daughter to do what mother wants and sod what daughter might want. There's one thing teaching your kids that education is important and wanting to send them to the best uni's to do well, but sending them there solely because she might get to drop her knickers for a royal is something else. Still, at least mother got what she wanted. I suppose those born with the silver spoons don't know any different (like Lady Diana's lot), but I bet the sheer mention of mining to Mother Middleton makes her arse squeak.

If you had asked any early 20th century miners what they wanted for their children, I think to not be miners and have to go down the pit would have been a top priority.

I did not see the program and do not know how her mother/family were portrayed ..by the sounds of it not very well, I take most of what the media say's with a pinch of salt and look at it from a positive point of view there is nothing wrong with trying to better ourselves, by that I mean if her mother could afford to give her family a better education/life etc and through doing that her daughter a commoner met and is marrying the future king ......... if it were my daughter......... I would be very proud and they both look very much in love

I'm not in the slightest bit interested in Kate MIddleton or her family, but surely her mother couldn't have decided that she would send her daughter to St Andrew's just so that she would meet

william?  It's one of the top universities in the UK, and you don't get in there unless you meet very high academic entrance criteria. Social climbing has nothing to do with getting a place.

I didn't see it either - but I have to agree with Growly and Marg.    I doubt that they seriously thought for a minute when she got accepted for St Andrews that she was in with a chance of ending up the next queen (although I bet like every other girl who went there it was mentioned at some stage)  .. and yeah..  I'd be proud if it was one of my family (and a bit concerned probably too if I'm honest)

 

"How it was "better" to be an airline hostess like Kate's mother, who used her job to scout round for a millionaire to marry, rather than use the work ethic of her ancestors as an inspiration to get on. "

 

 

I didn`t see the programme either but I do know that Kate`s parents were both flight attendants before they formed a successful mail order company in 1987, which made them millionaires. 

 

 

 

 

i come from a mining family - all worked very hard, some in dangerous situations -  and although they would not have liked their children to work in the pits it was not because they wanted them to "better" themselves but because they knew how little was thought of them and their safety.  social climbing seems to be a national pastime and the toadying that goes on around the royals makes me

I'll have to buy a new multi pack of batteries for my remote.I'm burning them up flicking away from channels when the word "Wedding" pops on the screen.Such dross.