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Originally Posted by Cagney:

To me a good fist clencher has to have a good slow start and then a build up to a good chorus followed by a tremendous guitar solo, a crescendo leading to a climax  Even if it's not a song you don't normally like you'll get up there and grab your mates, tell them you love them and sing your heart out 

I think we have a differant definition of fist clencher to me it is a song you hate hense the rick roll

neil3842
Originally Posted by neil3842:
Originally Posted by Cagney:

To me a good fist clencher has to have a good slow start and then a build up to a good chorus followed by a tremendous guitar solo, a crescendo leading to a climax  Even if it's not a song you don't normally like you'll get up there and grab your mates, tell them you love them and sing your heart out 

I think we have a differant definition of fist clencher to me it is a song you hate hense the rick roll

If it's a song you hate then surely you'd just turn it off 

Cagney
Originally Posted by neil3842:
Originally Posted by Cagney:

To me a good fist clencher has to have a good slow start and then a build up to a good chorus followed by a tremendous guitar solo, a crescendo leading to a climax  Even if it's not a song you don't normally like you'll get up there and grab your mates, tell them you love them and sing your heart out 

I think we have a differant definition of fist clencher to me it is a song you hate hense the rick roll

To me, also a fist clencher is a song you can really put your heart and soul into when you sing along to it

FM
Originally Posted by Cagney:
Originally Posted by Clumsycat:
Originally Posted by Cagney:

Clumsycat - did you just say that was THE best Bon Jovi song EVER?  Nobody ever agrees with me on that. They go for the popular songs. I love it 


damn straight... i LOVE this track....closely followed by i`ll be there for you

I'll be there for you is a bit of a weepy for me. My OH sings it when I'm down. I love Never Say Goodbye though. I'm going to see Bon Jovi in June.....I can't wait 


they are great live,,, seen them twice.. well... drooled over jon twice

Clumsycat
Originally Posted by Miss S:
Originally Posted by Carnelian:
Originally Posted by Miss S:

Used to love this 808 state one - although it's not technically 80s...

808 State with MC Tunes if I recall, not really in keeping with this thread on account that it is actually pleasant to listen to!

 

I prefer this one.

 

 

tunes splits the atom

That's right, MC tunes

MC Tunes, LOL, "Unleash vocal domination like Hendrix on strings", gotta love the bravado of the times -  not quite vocal domination like Hendrix on strings but not a bad effort!

 

That was the best period for me, the dance/rap/indie cross over.  Early 90s the best era for music as far as I'm concerned.

Carnelian
Originally Posted by sproooot:
Originally Posted by neil3842:
Originally Posted by Cagney:

To me a good fist clencher has to have a good slow start and then a build up to a good chorus followed by a tremendous guitar solo, a crescendo leading to a climax  Even if it's not a song you don't normally like you'll get up there and grab your mates, tell them you love them and sing your heart out 

I think we have a differant definition of fist clencher to me it is a song you hate hense the rick roll

To me, also a fist clencher is a song you can really put your heart and soul into when you sing along to it

EXACTLY. You can't do that with dance tunes from the 80s.(or 90's or 00's) It's all computer/synthes-thingys. It has to have real singers and real instruments. It has to have passion and you can't get that from a computer 

Cagney
Originally Posted by Carnelian:

MC Tunes, LOL, "Unleash vocal domination like Hendrix on strings", gotta love the bravado of the times -  not quite vocal domination like Hendrix on strings but not a bad effort!

 

 

80s still best for me but early 90s was great too - Stone Roses, Happy Mondays, Inspiral Carpets - Noel Gallagher was their roadie at the time, of course 

 

 

FM
Originally Posted by Cagney:
Originally Posted by sproooot:
Originally Posted by neil3842:
Originally Posted by Cagney:

To me a good fist clencher has to have a good slow start and then a build up to a good chorus followed by a tremendous guitar solo, a crescendo leading to a climax  Even if it's not a song you don't normally like you'll get up there and grab your mates, tell them you love them and sing your heart out 

I think we have a differant definition of fist clencher to me it is a song you hate hense the rick roll

To me, also a fist clencher is a song you can really put your heart and soul into when you sing along to it

EXACTLY. You can't do that with dance tunes from the 80s.(or 90's or 00's) It's all computer/synthes-thingys. It has to have real singers and real instruments. It has to have passion and you can't get that from a computer 

You're on my.....and a few other's wavelengths here I guess Cagney

FM

Clumsycat - this will be my second time seeing them. Last time my mates had to drag me away from Hampden. I didn't want to leave until they did. Mates were more worried about getting a bus home. Long story short......they left me and I met some great people are still friends now  Took me 3 hours to get back to where I was staying.......once I finally stopped walking 

Cagney
Originally Posted by Cagney:

Clumsycat - this will be my second time seeing them. Last time my mates had to drag me away from Hampden. I didn't want to leave until they did. Mates were more worried about getting a bus home. Long story short......they left me and I met some great people are still friends now  Took me 3 hours to get back to where I was staying.......once I finally started walking 

Cagney.. thats a great story,,devotion is a strong emotion.. good for you

Clumsycat
Originally Posted by Cagney:
Originally Posted by sproooot:
Originally Posted by neil3842:
Originally Posted by Cagney:

To me a good fist clencher has to have a good slow start and then a build up to a good chorus followed by a tremendous guitar solo, a crescendo leading to a climax  Even if it's not a song you don't normally like you'll get up there and grab your mates, tell them you love them and sing your heart out 

I think we have a differant definition of fist clencher to me it is a song you hate hense the rick roll

To me, also a fist clencher is a song you can really put your heart and soul into when you sing along to it

EXACTLY. You can't do that with dance tunes from the 80s.(or 90's or 00's) It's all computer/synthes-thingys. It has to have real singers and real instruments. It has to have passion and you can't get that from a computer 

Yeah, you can, you can get melancholy, isolation, alienation, effects or euphoric uplifting sounds as in trance. Just 'rawkin out' in a schoolboy Beavis and Buthead manner is an abuse of so-called 'real instruments.

 

An imperfect singer, singing from the heart without the melodramatics beats bluster and theatrics every time.  I find theatrics and overwrought emotions a massive turn off and crude pulls on the emotions a massive turn off. 

Carnelian
Originally Posted by Clumsycat:
Originally Posted by Cagney:

Clumsycat - this will be my second time seeing them. Last time my mates had to drag me away from Hampden. I didn't want to leave until they did. Mates were more worried about getting a bus home. Long story short......they left me and I met some great people are still friends now  Took me 3 hours to get back to where I was staying.......once I finally started walking 

Cagney.. thats a great story,,devotion is a strong emotion.. good for you

I won't tell you my story of seeing Iron Maiden at the SECC years ago 

 

Devotion - yep. For Richie Sambora. I LOVE him. All my mates love Jon so it's funny when Richie does his solo and I go mental 

Cagney
Originally Posted by Carnelian:
Yeah, you can, you can get melancholy, isolation, alienation, effects or euphoric uplifting sounds as in trance. Just 'rawkin out' in a schoolboy Beavis and Buthead manner is an abuse of so-called 'real instruments.

 

An imperfect singer, singing from the heart without the melodramatics beats bluster and theatrics every time.  I find theatrics and overwrought emotions a massive turn off and crude pulls on the emotions a massive turn off. 

Everyone to their own

FM
Originally Posted by Cagney:
Originally Posted by Clumsycat:
Originally Posted by Cagney:

Clumsycat - this will be my second time seeing them. Last time my mates had to drag me away from Hampden. I didn't want to leave until they did. Mates were more worried about getting a bus home. Long story short......they left me and I met some great people are still friends now  Took me 3 hours to get back to where I was staying.......once I finally started walking 

Cagney.. thats a great story,,devotion is a strong emotion.. good for you

I won't tell you my story of seeing Iron Maiden at the SECC years ago 

 

Devotion - yep. For Richie Sambora. I LOVE him. All my mates love Jon so it's funny when Richie does his solo and I go mental 

Richie is none too shabby either......ya got good taste

Clumsycat
Originally Posted by Carnelian:
Originally Posted by Cagney:
Originally Posted by sproooot:
Originally Posted by neil3842:
Originally Posted by Cagney:

To me a good fist clencher has to have a good slow start and then a build up to a good chorus followed by a tremendous guitar solo, a crescendo leading to a climax  Even if it's not a song you don't normally like you'll get up there and grab your mates, tell them you love them and sing your heart out 

I think we have a differant definition of fist clencher to me it is a song you hate hense the rick roll

To me, also a fist clencher is a song you can really put your heart and soul into when you sing along to it

EXACTLY. You can't do that with dance tunes from the 80s.(or 90's or 00's) It's all computer/synthes-thingys. It has to have real singers and real instruments. It has to have passion and you can't get that from a computer 

Yeah, you can, you can get melancholy, isolation, alienation, effects or euphoric uplifting sounds as in trance. Just 'rawkin out' in a schoolboy Beavis and Buthead manner is an abuse of so-called 'real instruments.

 

An imperfect singer, singing from the heart without the melodramatics beats bluster and theatrics every time.  I find theatrics and overwrought emotions a massive turn off and crude pulls on the emotions a massive turn off. 

I disagree. Name me one singer of a dance tune from the 80s and thier keyboard who can get across the same emotion as a singer from the 80s with a full on rock band. 

 

I really wish people could see beyond the long hair and tight trousers 

Cagney
Originally Posted by Cagney:
Originally Posted by Carnelian:
Originally Posted by Cagney:
Originally Posted by sproooot:
Originally Posted by neil3842:
Originally Posted by Cagney:

To me a good fist clencher has to have a good slow start and then a build up to a good chorus followed by a tremendous guitar solo, a crescendo leading to a climax  Even if it's not a song you don't normally like you'll get up there and grab your mates, tell them you love them and sing your heart out 

I think we have a differant definition of fist clencher to me it is a song you hate hense the rick roll

To me, also a fist clencher is a song you can really put your heart and soul into when you sing along to it

EXACTLY. You can't do that with dance tunes from the 80s.(or 90's or 00's) It's all computer/synthes-thingys. It has to have real singers and real instruments. It has to have passion and you can't get that from a computer 

Yeah, you can, you can get melancholy, isolation, alienation, effects or euphoric uplifting sounds as in trance. Just 'rawkin out' in a schoolboy Beavis and Buthead manner is an abuse of so-called 'real instruments.

 

An imperfect singer, singing from the heart without the melodramatics beats bluster and theatrics every time.  I find theatrics and overwrought emotions a massive turn off and crude pulls on the emotions a massive turn off. 

I disagree. Name me one singer of a dance tune from the 80s and thier keyboard who can get across the same emotion as a singer from the 80s with a full on rock band. 

 

I really wish people could see beyond the long hair and tight trousers 

Well, the thing is, most of those other bands didn't want to trade in bombast and overwrought melodramatic emotions.  You're confusing real emotions with MTV inspired crude melodrama.

 

Depends what you mean by emotion.  If you mean melodramatic overwrought guff then soft rawk really milked that to the max, if you mean real, subtle emotion, then take your pick from just about all the acts that weren't in that genre.

 

I don't even like MJ, but even his subtler moments were more emotionally moving than anything that came out of the MTV/soft rock/Hair Metal fad.

Carnelian
Originally Posted by Carnelian:

Here's an example of a fairly lightweight 80s band that made better music than the rawk dross of Hair Metal.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESPi5lqmsHU

 

Duran Duran - The Chauffeur

Ah, I love that.   It has a message though. I believe   

 

Question..............I love the tune of Secret Oktober but still have yet to find out what its about. Anyone enlighten me please?

FM
Originally Posted by Carnelian:

Well, the thing is, most of those other bands didn't want to trade in bombast and overwrought melodramatic emotions.  You're confusing real emotions with MTV inspired crude melodrama.

 

Depends what you mean by emotion.  If you mean melodramatic overwrought guff then soft rawk really milked that to the max, if you mean real, subtle emotion, then take your pick from just about all the acts that weren't in that genre.

 

I don't even like MJ, but even his subtler moments were more emotionally moving than anything that came out of the MTV/soft rock/Hair Metal fad.

What you see as melodramatic overwrought guff is what most on this thread have posted as emotional songs. Subtle emotion hasn't got anything to do with it. As the thread title says.....Fist clenching songs. Nothing subtle about it 

 

The MTV/soft rock/hair metal fad? Lets compare that to the poncey guys who thought they could get by on their looks 

Cagney
Originally Posted by Cagney:
Originally Posted by Carnelian:

Well, the thing is, most of those other bands didn't want to trade in bombast and overwrought melodramatic emotions.  You're confusing real emotions with MTV inspired crude melodrama.

 

Depends what you mean by emotion.  If you mean melodramatic overwrought guff then soft rawk really milked that to the max, if you mean real, subtle emotion, then take your pick from just about all the acts that weren't in that genre.

 

I don't even like MJ, but even his subtler moments were more emotionally moving than anything that came out of the MTV/soft rock/Hair Metal fad.

What you see as melodramatic overwrought guff is what most on this thread have posted as emotional songs. Subtle emotion hasn't got anything to do with it. As the thread title says.....Fist clenching songs. Nothing subtle about it 

 

The MTV/soft rock/hair metal fad? Lets compare that to the poncey guys who thought they could get by on their looks 

Wasn't that era essentially getting by on your looks? The Hair Metal musicians took the androgyny of the New Romantic and Glam Rock eras and mixed it up with heavy metal and punk guitar riffs but not punk attitudes - they were too corporate for that!

 

Kiss and Alice Cooper were a throwback to glamrock, Bon Jovi, Motley Cru, Europe, Axl Rose, Van Halen, Dave Lee Roth were all big hair poncey pretty boys just right for MTV videos.  Their music was rubbish, when Nirvana and Grunge kicked off, they were exposed for the talentless corporate pretty boy MTV rawk record company puppets they were.

Carnelian
Originally Posted by Carnelian:

Wasn't that era essentially getting by on your looks? The Hair Metal musicians took the androgyny of the New Romantic and Glam Rock eras and mixed it up with heavy metal and punk guitar riffs but not punk attitudes. 

 

Kiss and Alice Cooper were a throwback to glamrock, Bon Jovi, Motley Cru, Europe, Axl Rose, Van Halen, Dave Lee Roth were all big hair poncey pretty boys just right for MTV videos.  Their music was rubbish, when Nirvana and Grunge kicked off, they were exposed for the talentless corporate pretty boy MTV rawk posers they were.

Not at all. Weren't they described as dirty rockers, greasy? How is that getting by on your looks?

 

Hair metal -as you put it- was a completely different take on music. It depended more on talent and not the ability to "recreate" music on a keyboard. They actually did play music. It wasn't all good but it was real and in no way subsidised by electronics. New Romantics and Glam Rock played their part in all that but really....to say "hair metal" music was rubbish? I don't think so and if you really read up about Nirvana and the grunge bands you'll see that there is quite a big influence there from the 80s greasy rockers. 

Cagney

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