I agree when you're calling it Karma. Mere mortals have no control with illness accidents etc.

However I believe there is Karma with regard to happiness and good things within 'human' control.....................if someone is 'nice' and puts out good things - in our earthly life - I do think it comes back!

yeah... you are thinking about it the opposite way round to me.     Those horrible things that happen to people..   I think thats life Soops..  sometimes it sucks big time.    I don't tend to think of those things as karma., more that those things are bigger picture things, key lifeline events, unpredictable, unavoidable, without reason.

Nope, it would be hypocritical to say otherwise. I know exactly what you're getting at Soops.

its not hypocritical..  

I dunno how to word this...      

ok, for me Karma is about the foundations we lay in life...   if we are callous and mean to someone, chances are one day we will find ourself in a similar situation and find out how we made that person feel back then.     If we cheat or go with someone who is cheating, odds are that one day... we'll know how it feels to be in that persons shoes.    If we gossip & bitch, one day it will be our turn to be bitched about.        

Early on in my life I did all of that...   and karma came & bit me on the arse!    


The big bad stuff that happens, illness, accident, bereavement,  I don't think of any of that stuff as punishment for past behaviour...  mainly cos these sort of things I wouldn't wish on anyone, however they have behaved.

As a people to people thing ...................I believe there is Karma - if you're a good person - it usually comes back. If you;re an arse to everyone I believe eventually it'll come back and bite you on the bum!

There are some things beyond our reach - out of our control ,,,,,,,it sucks but - who knows there maybe a bigger plan!

Ditty and Sooz. I agree with you both. There is a baseline karma we can all have control over. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you and all that. In the great scheme of things however, I'm not sure there's a clearly identifiable karma that tracks you and serves you up or rewards you accordingly. I suspect (as my good lady pointed out to me) that any belief in that I may have is deeply rooted in my Catholic upbringing which I have long since discarded as nonsense.

That's very much how I see it Ditty - 

There are forces at work.

I've been to the dark side and back  

Pitch black.

I know what you mean ^^^ Suppose it's the true meaning of the word 'karma' that I have difficulty with. One of my favourite sayings however: "Love is a well, from which we can drink, only as much as we put in, and the stars that shine from it, are only our eyes looking in"

Prom when I think of Karma - I don't for one minute think it's a spiritual thing.
May be it's because I am an Atheist  I don't know ?

Is this something to do with the excellent Danish subtitled detective prog on BBC4 tonight? "Do you believe in Karma?" was their catchphrase.

I'm an atheist too but I don't discount some kind of natural almost Darwinistic intervention from nature (or something else)  to push us in the right direction. Yes, I know how pretentious that sounds 

yes, that kind of thing.

Its not spiritual for me either, more about balance I suppose...     

I am married to a Catholic who on the whole reckons he has grown beyond it...   but its deep rooted..  every now & then it surfaces.  

Its the same with his inner Tory too

I think that too!

Twas when we did evolution in A Level Human Biology I came to that conclusion.   I had been totally atheist before that..  but the rate of evolution...   it made me think there could be something

TBH I was kind of thinking more a Mother Nature thing too, but not sure how 

The idea that humans within the constraints of science know it all is laughable in my book.

The world was flat once.

Bet that's conflicting

Research alone will tell us we don't VD, I suspect we never will.

In this particular context I agree 100%.

Yes...  I agree 

There is an awful lot of agreement on this forum tonight

*checks the name on the door*

more than he is aware of yet.  

lately when I have been going ape at Cameron on the telly...  his inner tory takes over & he starts defending him/them (usually by just starting to slate the labour goverment)...   I haven't quite had the heart to tell him yet that he has actually moved social classes...   he is no longer the mover & shaker, living in London, with lots of disposable income.   He's now a struggling married bloke wth two kids to feed, clothe ,educate, an overdraft, 2 cars to run & is dependant of working tax credit to make ends meet.

I will say this soon.. ..   I expect to hear a wail as his inner Tory withers & dies

unlike in the Ditty household 

Still sulking about the dishwasher?

Karma will haunt me in the morning in the form of looking as ruff as Badgers bum,  if I don't get some sleep !

nite all

we are only speaking when absolutely necessary, for operational purposes..  & then its not in full sentences

Night Fern...  

try to stay out of badger bums

I'll keep a listen out for him shall I ? 

yes...  it will be the loud, deep, raucous jeery wail..   

the exorcism of Mr Dittys Tory Soul

Karma has nothing to do with religion..if you took 100 people who believed in it and put them together the place would be perfect..if you took 100 people who did'nt it would be the world as you know it, crime and dishonesty..
2 weeks ago I called a woman back to the cash point she'd left a wedge of money behind, she was so thankful....yesterday Mr stonks handed a purse in to the supermarket..4 weeks ago my nephew got his wallet back with all the money still in it....
this restores faith in the human race to each other which becomes Karma....

 Karma has nothing to do with religion


No it has nothing to do with religion Stonks you have described Karma to a T 

No..I really don't believe in anything ..spiritual..ethereal etc.We are all buggered,we are base type animals. No matter that we think we are higher animals...we are not, only our arrogance
and our "How the hell ,are we not better!" shit ,fecks other creatures and our world..
Humans have destroyed ,pollutted and driven other aninal species tp extinction..

I completely agree with this. Where I live in the heart of the Chilterns, they are going to build a high speed rail link   It is going to decimate the countryside completely as it rips through AONBs

People are of course going mad trying to stop it but are being accused of nimbyism.And I am this loan voice in the corner saying "this planet does not belong to us, We have no more right here than anyone else....." 
I just get accused of being a tree hugger.

The thing is, once it has gone, you never get it back.
And don't start me on this flipping government's plan to sell off our forests.,

But Stonks , it absolutely does, in Eastern religions.....Maybe the problem here is people have taken on a whole load of different definitions of what the word means to them?

Karma, in it's usual definition, is a load of bunkum.

'Spread a little happiness', 'Smile and the world smiles with you', 'One good turn deserves another', 'Whoever smelt it, dealt it' often have a lot of truth to them, however. 

I dont actually believe in karma, although i wish i did because i should be owed loads of good stuff

I think that the odds of you going through life without meeting good times and bad and a whole host of people who may or may not bear resemblances to someone or sometime in your past is very very low. We do have a whole life to fill and only so many experiences are available to fill it with, therefore it stands to reason that you will meet someone who is horrible to you, where you were once were horrible to someone etc.

I think that its just chance and if your sitting thinking...ohh look a bad thing has happened to so and so and thats their payback for what they did to me is pretty self indulgent.

It certainly got Glen Hoddle into a lot of trouble. 

And all religion is manmade, what came first religion or the thought and practice of Karma,,,,

Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day; Give him a religion, and he'll starve to death while praying for a fish.