Weren't you talking about hard work?

Well it was made the front page today and it drew attention. Everyone knows footballers are vastly overpaid, but it has kind of been accepted, even if we don't like it or think it's justified. I just thought this particular story was a few bars above the absolute ridiculous!

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tbh, unless you're a Communist enthusiast (hai!) then one can't complain about wages.  Of course it's obscene but then the wages of a GP are outrageous to a struggling doctor in Rawanda and few people wank off about them.

Accountants work out the numbers.  Companies work out whether said employee is worth the cash in terms of bringing in revenue.....it's paid.  Whether they bring in the numbers directly - eg headline actors opening a film - or indirectly -  eg helping attract other world class football players (if they don't sell enough shirts themselves) - is irrelevant.  It's all about the numbers.

Welcome to capitalism.

The wages of a GP are obscene full stop

I had forgotten about the gravy train that GPs are on - good point.

 It's hardly the same thing is it? Actors are paid for an end result which the directors and producers invariably get. You can get performances that maybe don't work out but that's a guessing game when they cast them, the nature of the beast, it's a risk.

Footballers are paid 120k a week to do things that I was doing when I played football as a teen and most of them can't even do that. It's more a case of right place right time than them actually having any talent. You can't possibly tell me players need to 'rehearse' to perform simple passes or make correct 'simple' decision for huge amounts of money. The fact Rooney is being paid frankly obscene amounts of money when he's been abysmal for ages just shows what a fiasco the whole thing is.

If footballers were paid on a performance related basis most of them would go home with fekk all and would have to subsidise their income asking the rest of us 'would you like fries with that sir/madame?'.

Well, it wasn't really my point, but, yeah. 

No one 'deserves' anything in the commercial world.  Not how it works, eh.  If you believe in that system then people get what the market will stand and there's nowt to complain about.  It's HOW IT WORKS.

Luckily I'm a commie bastard so can carp away merrily. 

You cannot be serious, surely?

I'm deadly serious. I see players in the PL all the time who have no clue what they're doing. Defenders in all the wrong positions at set pieces and are on the wrong side of strikers in the box, ditto goalkeepers standing exactly where they shouldn't be at set pieces, midfielders who can't pass the ball, strikers who miss from five yards out (repeatedly), keepers who can't catch the ball and instead just punch it stupidly to an incoming opposition striker, wingers who can't cross...

Correct me if I'm wrong but this is supposed to be top grade 'professionals' we're watching is it not?

Would rather spend my energies on condemning the overpaid Politicians & the like who get paid out of the public purse!

If it's moaning about someone or something, I have more then enough energy. Worry not, nobody worth moaning about will be left out

Equality

Right, but do you seriously believe they got where they are by pot luck rather than having any ability? Do you think there are millions of lads across the country who are as good as the likes of Rooney, Lamps, Gerrard, Becks, Scholesey, but were unlucky that they weren't in the right place at the right time?

Speaking of thick footballers, there's an ex professional footballer doing rather well on million pound drop now. By ex I mean he's playing non-league now.

I'm not talking about the players who stand out I'm talking about the ones who don't, but even of those who do players like Lampard, Gerrard and recently Rooney can go long periods where they're actually more a hindrance than a help to the team. Like I say football should be performance related. Players start based on who they are not what they're bringing to the team. That's another horrible aspect of the new 'football players as pop stars' culture that came into football when the wages went mental.

I agree partly that professional footballers of their ability shouldn't be misplacing passes or missing the target from 10 yards out (I say that all the time at matches), but I'm sorry... you don't go down to a local park and see people who are good enough for the Premier League but haven't been dealt the lucky break. They just aren't there.
Any player playing in the Premier League is there because they are absolutely light years ahead of players who haven't made it as footballers. Players in League One which I watch every week are light years ahead of your average boy in the park as well.

You are so far wrong to say they are where they are purely out of pot luck. I play 6aside with lads who didn't quite make it with football league clubs, just weren't quite good enough, but play non-league football and they are so good, like seriously good (and I am not a bad player either but they take the piss out of me), yet when I see them play for their non-league clubs in pre-season friendlies etc against teams like Oldham or Rochdale or Carlisle, they get the piss taken out of them, totally out of their depth in terms of technique, touch, vision. I think watching Chelsea all the time, you're not appreciating how talented they are and how fast they do things - you've become too picky
It's good watching football from high up in the stands, it looks so easy, but watch it from pitch level and you really see the speed they do things, the speed in which they make the decisions, the speed of their feet when they have the ball. it's quite unbelievable really.

All I can say is I wouldn't like to see the ones who didn't make it . I honestly don't remember footballers being so crap when I played the game, I just don't. I suppose too much emphasis is placed on physique these days and individual skill is pretty much a thing of the past. It always makes me laugh when a commentator sees someone go past a player and hails his 'breath-taking skill' 

Too much focus is spent on players who are 'athletes' but don't actually have any footballing skill at all and yes, that includes the majority of players in the premier league.

HELP!! Prom/anyone; in a Uni assignment do I include the 'question' at the top of the page in my word count? I think no and have been told no but need a few more no's to believe it. Don't want to go over and lose marks

Nope...  just hand it in to the course tutor and say "MUHAHAHA good luck counting that"

No you don't and if you quote anything, the name of who you cited does not count either if you are doing the Harvard system of referencing..

I.e


"It has been said that potatoes are best eaten fried" ( Jones 2010)

Jones 2010 is not part of the word count,

Does that make sense?

Oh and you can go 10% over or under and not be penalised.

It's being submitted electronically otherwise I would So are you sure it's definitely not included then? Sorry to be a pain, I'm in a PMT panic

The question doesn't count. As an aside, if you must go over or under for whatever reason it's better to write slightly too much than too little.

Yep, done the referencing In that case I'm word word under. Yaaaay

Gracias! x

Now back to slagging off Rooney As you were!

Oooh in mine all short references within the body of the text are included, the long references at the end aren't.

You are totally wrong, Prom. You can laugh all you like, and claim to be Lionel Messi yourself, but sorry you are soo soo wrong. 

Yeah the game has evolved in this country so that you need pace and physical strength as well as technique and skill, so with the frantic pace of english football yeah a bit of skill has been taken out, but it doesn't mean the players are talentless. The players that you think have no skill in the Premier League, would go into your local park and nutmeg every single player on the pitch, run round with the ball all day and none of the park boys would get near him. FACT 

I'm actually quite amazed really that you actually think this - I'm kind of starting to think you're on the wind up to be honest Good one if you are!

You sound like my Grandad, he was a nearly man, nearly made it pro and always bangs on about the players of these days not being as good as the old days.

Crunchy I'm not talking about players being as good as 'the old days', I'm just saying that skill has played less and less a part in our game over the last decade (which is hardly 'old'). You can bleat on all you like about pro players running rings around everyone else mate but so they damn well should they are super fit (it's their job, remember?) and they get professional coaching.

It still doesn't alter the fact that most PL players have no ball control, terrible first touch, no vision and very poor passing skills BUT they are big and strong and can run around all day if necessary. For most strikers going around a player is completely a thing of the past. They try to get on the end of a cross or try to pass the fekkin thing into the net in a sort of retarded Arsenal stylee but they never take defenders on. Running down the wing and trying to get a cross in does not equal taking defenders on by the way.

Didn't you say that you nearly played professionally?Or I am getting mixed up?

:cough: Adam Johnson. Stewie Downing.

THIS

I assume you're agreeing with my point i.e. all pace and no skill? I can just hear their coach now... 'Run boy, run like the wind and then, well, I dunno, just do something' 

i was arguing your point about premier league footballers being where they are not because they have any talent, but because they were in the right place at the right time or whatever words you used. To me you were implying that the Premier League (& even the championship, leagues 1 & 2 for that matter) are full of players of the same ability as what you could go down to a local park and see.

Now I'm the first to admit that english players in general arent technically as good in terms of touch and ball control as top players from Spain, Portugal, Holland, Argentina etc, but to say they have no ball control and a terrible first touch is taking it a bit far. I do agree that speed and strength is a part of english football now, but they do have to have ability as well.

No! I'm being a tad old fashioned. Not only can Johnson and Downing run at defences,  they then scare the shit out of them. They have a skill not much used at a higher level.

I nearly got signed up as a youth (the 2 years before you do before you either get signed professionally or you don't), so not nearly professional, but nearly to the stage beforehand if that makes sense.

Adam Johnson is far superior to Downing though.

OHHHHHh

So does that make you a nearly man too?

No, I didn't even make it as a nearly man, but I'm not bitter about it so much that I slate the players who have made it, because I appreciate how good you have to be to make it

I'm just commenting on what I see every week. I don't just watch Chelsea. By the way, the fact players in lower divisions are worse is no excuse for them lol. Basic footballing ability is lacking in the PL EVERY single week just watch a few games completely at random and you'll be shocked.

I don't believe this myth that foreign players are more skilful either. Our leagues are infested with them and they are just as pants and in fact even more annoying because they spend more time diving and rolling round the floor than playing bloody football.

My fingers are knackered typing in this thread. We'll agree to disagree prome

Fair enough. I agree about Johnson, Downing really is pants.

Mebbees we'll get him back then if he is pants though but!