Apologies for going off-topic - but this also very much applies to at least one Josie bitching session that would have been favourable to Caoimhe.

crab eyes was involved  and on that basis  the keeley defence  rests it's case.

Oh sure - we all know the editing's generally pretty bad. We still often have to draw attention to specific examples, though...
However, as I said earlier: I still think the HM who came out best tonight was JJ...

Yes, nice editing, Keeley looked stupid, Kevin was vile, JJ looked as close to innocent as he ever gets .Funny that. JJ in the snug enraging his tweenie fans and amassing them to go for Keeley in the vote. Funny that. Keeley's noms being taken away which meant JJ wouldn't be up. Funny that.

Oh yes! With all the fuss about the bitching in the bedroom, I'd forgotten about that!

Now I'm usually the first to complain about BB not punishing nomination talk properly, but come on: was that comment about Steve really worthy of a retrospective nominations ban?
And is it really morally-acceptable (never mind legally...) for BB to be banning nominations for "rule breaks" that occurred after the vote-count anyway?

Of course it's not. It's all designed for them to use as leverage to keep whoever they want to keep in the house. They will deny this of course. You only have to ask them one question: why do some HM's who discuss nominations get punished by losing their nominations and others don't? You won't get an answer.

And JJ said that himself, not that he'd be given any credit for doing so by a lot of people on here.

how many times has it popped up n the official website...

john james and  whoever  discuss nominations..

dave and ben discuss nominations...

quite a few i can tell you.

Are we to applaud people pointing out the 'Keep off the grass' sign while they themselves are quite clearly ON the grass? Thanks Kevin (Turvey, not the other one).

I've acknowledged it a few times, but I don't think he deserves any credit for it because he only said it after he had misled all the other HMs into thinking that the real argument was about "bitching". By that time, he was able to throw Keeley an offhand appology on that score, because he'd managed to convince everyone that she was largely in the wrong over everything-else...

That is the point Keely picked up on though. She didn't can can you keep it down because we are trying to sleep, instead she said 'can you take the conversation elsewhere as its making me feel uncomfortable'..then she proceeds to make a dick of herself.

It'll be okay. I'm sure all those people she really cares about will come and make it all alright.

I think she seized an opportunity to make herself look good and saintly in cracking down on the bitching. She unfortunately misread the situation. She will never miss an opportunity to try make herself look good IMO.

I'll bet she's absoloutely horrible to work with .............very full of herself.

Eugene's Lair
I congratulate you on your reading of this situation.
I believe you have it spot on.
That is how I saw it too, but you have the skill of painting in the fine (and very important) detail.

Whether Keely was right or wrong she got her wish and Keeva has gone. (I sound like some kind of fairy rhyming Godmother ) My tuppence worth, she was right to tell them to stop but wrong in her reasons for doing so cos she made herself look like a shit stirring little twit (which she is). But she is the cattiest/bitchiest HM I've seen in a while. The only bad thing about Keeva going is that was one argument that would have carried on and on and they would always be trying to outdo each other, would have been fun to watch Keeva constantly ruffle Keely's feathers

BB could have saved Keeva going by organising messages from home and getting her BF to send her one. Not that I am in any way fussed by her going, but it could have been prevented if they really wanted to.

I think that is exactly what it is.  I would've lobbed something at her