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Am now up to speed, cheers M O!

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apparently Maguerita  Ben doesn't bitch he Grumbles about people..  that made me roflmao when I saw that yesterday. .

Sorry Squiggle, no offence intended     but twas funny especially  after he'd been non stop bitching and getting pretty personal about Mario's personal life to whomever would listen to him all day  yesterday

Bens' biggest problem to me is that he seems to think that being an individual = being selfish.

Someone needs to buy him a dictionary

YW , and call me Olly tis easier

Yes apparently Olly

Ben is incredibly selfish, often confronts people and does nothing but bitch but his fans on here just say 'Oh isn't ben hilarious'

JJ, bitches and confronts people (his mannerism are not as polite as Ben's so he comes across more volatile) and all he gets on here is 'That JJ is a creep, barbie, peroxide idiot' etc'

I like the pair of them but it is so obvious that Ben gets away with murder while JJ gets chastised.

Add JJ is a hypocrite to that there list River Rock 

I agree  also I wonder if Ben had a think Scouse accent or similar and behaved the way he does, and says the things he says,  people would see him in the same light

Totally agree River Rock 

I have always said, if it's said with an accent it's bitching. If it's said with his accent it's a discussion or an observation. He is now on the bed discussing/observing about Dave and John to Keever. It wasn't long ago he observed and discussed how she was part of the witches coven.

I can agree on that assessment

Ben gets away with bog all fgs....Threads,especially ones where the subject matter is negative about other HM's you can rest assured posts will appear bringing up Bens actions....As for JJ ,he with the masters in swearing apparently noooooo he doesn't swear....When and if Ben targets HM's who to deems to be weaker than him ,yes like Barbie Boy does then I can guarantee I'll  remove his name from my sig....Ben does be used as a whipping boy by some HM's that cannot be denied,some is warranted because of his own actions but some of it no and I dislike to see anyone being ganged up on as he is.

He'd have got the blooming water from me as well...do star jumps for that lot?....never!

I see what you mean DS as I feel the same about Barbie Boy and Nathan....Both swear like troopers but Barbie Boy doesn't receive the criticism  about it than Nathan does....So does it come down to accent or looks?

I'm with you on the "ganging up" aspect ~Lee~
The sheer numbers of people ganging up on him is unfair, unkind and uncomfortable.

i agree with ben, that he shouldn't have to sop being an individual,his problem with it tho, is that he doesn't take the consequences of insisting on his individuality,everyone around  him has to take the burden the consequences,  as dave did in the task and as all the blokes are doing in lending him clothes,which he then insists in wearing, in the case of jj, even when he's been asked not to.
he's also right in that nathan doesn't have to cook his food, but that's as far as he gets to justify himself and his individuality, not actually considering taking on the responsibilities of that statement and  cooking his own food.

He told Mario today that he doesn't know how much longer he will be able to tolerate it. You're right, it is very uncomfortable to watch

You are entitled to your opinion Olly but I certainly see a difference between Mario's remark "a fake shirt for a fake person" and Ben's "just because I don't want his wiener up my bum doesn't make me an appalling person".  Mario's has a sneer in it.  Of course you (and Marge) must come to your own conclusions, as do I

it was all quite civilised in the nest during the discussion, i have to say.

OMG Dave is harping back to the TOT task again now - that was 5 days ago now FFS!!
"Oh aren't I marvellous I went in there and did the exercise even though Ben wouldn't!!"

Ben can be his own worst enemy...he has obviously had the benefit of a good education, but has never listened to the teachers....his opinions are sometimes (at best) faulty.

He confides in everyone and tells them things he should keep to himself, thus providing the fuel for them to burn him with

He can be witty, incredibly naive and endearing, but he's also a lazy so and so, goes on and on and complains(bitches?) about people behind their backs...for which he politely apologises
He is a teller of tall tales when he sees himself getting into even more hot water than he's in already.

I like Ben, but he does drive me insane, and sometimes I could cheerfully strangle him, at others I want to give him a hug...The house needs him in there, much more than the likes of Nathan, Ife,Steve and Keever

They will not let it lie either in the house or in here, they are still (LF) talking about last Saturday's task.  If Ben was to go on an on at people like JJ does I could understand it but no Ben does not, I have seen him so supportive of everyone in there.

mario's a decent sort tho isn't he, even after his darker moments, he has the time and compassion to help ben.

I should think Ben has had to say "sorry" more than all the rest of the HMs in all of the series put together. They seem to constantly be sending him on a guilt trip.

Reading the LUT of this on DS and it would appear Steve comes across as a complete bigot in it, his argument being if you haven't fought in a war or are not an MP you can't have an opinion on wars.

FGS Barbie Boy get off his case....Him who is now lying through his teeth saying he don't care about nominations who the other night stated he was going to refuse to nominate.

RiverRock shhhh you will be spoiling the afternoon for many who were just gearing up to blame Ben for WWII and searching for pictures of him in Mosely's army

Its also ironic Steve claiming to be a war veteran. At the time The British Government denied that there was a war in NI.

Pre 1975 that wasn't the case but tbh I can't be bothered going into it.

Me neither, but it'll be interesting if its shown on tomorrows HL show.

and Ben's comments were said in pronounced English  without the sneer so his are not as bad ?

yet his timbre does change when he speaks badly of others.. it gets very whiney and petulant sounding.. maybe that's his sneer. .as is his 'these people' comments. .they contain a sneer if ever I heard one  

and what about the despicable things he was saying about Mario's lifestyle yesterday to all and sundry. . [don't get me wrong I was agreeing with a lot of what he was saying but not with him telling all and sundry about it] that wasn't nasty and mean? he then proceeded to pick Mario's appearance apart too...  again not nasty and mean?

Don't get me wrong all of them pushing at him  at once is wrong  and cruel but I also agree with jacksons post a lot too..

he is a taker not a giver and if he wasn't a posh nob I'd call him a scrounger.. 

he's still a cracking HM and funny with it..  but he is a pretty deluded person and has no time for those he considers beneath him

and I am not talking inverted snobbery here either, I dated 3 guys in the past all from his world and not one of them were as bad as him with their viewpoints.. he is an extremest and freely admitted he is selfish to boot..

if he is funny I will clap . .if he is nasty I will growl.. 

Why would it be though?....The whole conversation went on for quite a while I take it so to show snippets of it thus possibly taking it out of context is pointless.

Because it's probably the most interesting thing Steve has done in the last month.

Because it's probably the most interesting thing Steve has done in the last month.

And taken out of context has the potential to cause controversy,not necessary imo.

Steve whipped them all up this morning, into the usual Ben/bitchfest.  Expected much more from a father of 8 to be honest.   He also comes across as a follower, rather than a leader, and he's another waste of space sailing along under the radar..........for the time being!

I'm of the same opinion Tidds...He either joins in the ganging up or stands idly by doing nothing to stop it....As an older HM I did expect better from him.