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I have a colleague I get on really well with - apart from one thing. When the boss isn't around, she tries to take charge. She's not senior to the rest of us, but takes it on herself to try to organise us, butts in whenever someone else asks any of us a question and 'reports' back to our manager on how we're performing. We're all good at our jobs and of equal status, but it's got to the stage where people from outside our department are starting to think she's in charge, because she's so bossy.

Today, for instance, a colleague from another department needed to talk to me and Ms Bossyknickers interrupted and tried to take over the conversation, to the point where I practically had to shout to be heard over her.

Having already simmered about it for the past few weeks, I had a discreet word with our manager and told him I was going to blow a gasket if it carried on. It turns out I'm not the first - or even the second - person to complain about it. It's going to be brought to the attention of the next manager up, and he'll have to decide what to do about it. Which, knowing him, will probably be nothing.

I feel disloyal for even raising it, but also glad I'm not the only one pissed off about it. She has relied on the fact that none of us want to wreck our working atmosphere with a stand-up row, up till now. A quiet word with her wouldn't have had any effect, because she was so brazenly trying to rule the roost she wouldn't have cared.

Aaaaargghh!

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yeah... that would drive me nuts too!

Interesting that your manager has had two previous complaints about it... and still didn't do anything about it.   And.. now its got to boiling point he is just shunting it upwards.

Surely your manager should just have  a word with her... or if direct action is really not the way.. be seen to empower the rest of you's with her present... you know... subtly reinforce you are all equal.

I have to admit I'd probably have got childish about it by now... and would have gone out of my way to do it back to her.... undermine her when she was dealing with something.

Or told her to do one when she butted in
Dirtyprettygirlthing
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Interesting that your manager has had two previous complaints about it


At least two. For all I know, I might be the last person in the department to complain!

What he said was, 'other people' had raised the same issue. And all of us have been too tactful to tell her bog off because we don't want a stinking atmosphere. 
Our manager's a total coward - if he wasn't, your idea of reminding her that we're all equal would be a great one

Demantoid
So she hasn't been given a Deputy Manager title either officially or unofficially? Why does she take charge? Is it because she has been the longest serving, the most experienced, wants to progress or the boss treats her a little different to the rest (as in discusses Management meeting outcomes and stuff?).

I'd have to be assertive (not rude - there's a difference - albeit very small in some cases ) But if what she was doing was affecting me I'd have to say I've got the situation under control, and would also ask if she is Deputy Manager in your usual Manager's absence. Sound's like your boss is a bit wet and can't address it which is not good
Karma_
Oh Deman you have my fullest sympathy. I really mean that Been there with a young assistant manger - wait for this I was the Manager but because I was female he took it upon himself to meet with prospective clients, issue orders to junior staff and overall just undermine me at every opportunity. I ended up leaving the company, accompanied by a  stomach ulcer and utacaria.
Kudos to you for tolerating her for so long and for now speaking up, hope its sorted out soon.  Keep us posted
Fairfax
Every workplace seems to have it's own set of stereotypes. I've certainly met 'em all. IMO as Union power wained the situation became worse. If I had a quid for everytime that I had to take someone aside and say, "Look! I'm not the enemy, the management are!" I could have left even earlier.

"Neither an employer nor an employee be!" That's my advice.
Garage Joe
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She has relied on the fact that none of us want to wreck our working atmosphere with a stand-up row
But your working atmosphere is wrecked...what have you got to lose by doing something about it, it's not like you wouldn't have people on your side.

I think it's just time for you to get assertive not angry.  When she butts in on conversations just put your hand up in a stop right there gesture and say quietly but firmly, Thank you, but I can handle this one.   Do it enough times and she will get the message.  Plus if she continues to butt in after you have said this it is she who will look the fool not you.  Act as if you are her equal and she should start treating you as one. 

I do empathise, I had to share an office with a woman like that, just me and her and she would always try and take over in meetings, or move my stuff about to suit her needs.   Although I wanted to twat her out, I just took a deep breath and instead just asserted myself strongly and wouldn't let her walk over me.  After a while she started telling me how intimidated she felt by ME, which was amusing.

We ended up as good friends and it became obvious that she just had a huge inferiority complex that sort of forced her to try and look as if she was as good as everybody else...hence the butting in and trying to take over.  I'm sure this is the case with many people like this
DanceSettee
I like DanceSettees post...     I agree that the working atmosphere is already damaged...  cos its festering and bugging you all.   I like the idea of an assertive hand up gesture... 

I was all "oooh DanceSettee is soooo professional"...

and then I read
 
although I wanted to twat her out, I just took a deep breath
and spluttered my coffee everywhere! 


Fairfax  - I have been hounded out of a job, and had it stress me out to a point of physical illness too, respect to you for getting back out there tougher & stronger
Dirtyprettygirlthing
Toid, if the second manager (God I hate lazy managers who take home a managers pay packet but do eff all to warrant it)   does nothing then you could consider as a last resort a grievance procedure.  

It's not a nice thing to do but it certainly gets managers to get their fingers out and you can stop it at any time   but as I say only think about it as a last resort.  Simmering tensions can explode into larger arguments that could potentially get you into trouble and make this woman look like a victim and that's the last thing you want   As DS said, try and be assertive not angry but this is easier said than done.

It's lazy, lazy ostrich head in the ground management that's at the route of this and I'd be surprised if your second manager doesn't have something to say to your direct manager about their lack of input!
FM
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Put her stapler in jelly.
 Oddly enough not long after I'd moved to work with the team I'm with now (and still at the trying to play nice so you'll all like me stage) I made everyone a cuppa. Our team leader likes his coffee black so I put the mug of coffee down in front of him and having delivered all the others took mine back to my desk. Now the office is hideously open plan so we all heard him cry out "F***ing hell, what on earth is THIS?!!" As we all looked he was fishing a stapler out of his mug. Not staples - a big, black stapler. To this day none of us can figure out how it fell into his mug. And no - it WAS NOT me. 

But I agree with DS - the atmosphere is already ruined Dem. It's a shame to let one person do that. Your manager sounds like a wimp frankly - I have one like that myself. Lovely bloke but too keen to be Mr Popular to put his foot down when it's needed.

I kinda have the problem in reverse, when aforesaid team leader is away I seem to be the unelected default setting. I'd not mind but I get paid less that some of the lazy feckwits I have to work with - I assume the extra pay is intended to reflect penis inchage since there is clearly no other viable reason.
Cariad
WHy not jus send all your problems and queries in her direction and when she queries why just tell her its cos she always butts in and gets involve at some point anyway so your just cut out the middleman.  If, on the other hand she'd like to butt out instead and let you get on with your job then thats all good too.


I'd even take the piss and start asking her permission to go to the loo and all sorts...she'll soon get the message.
Croctacus
Reference:Jeggo
save them having to pay me redundancy if I leave through illness.
Jeggo

Horrid innit - last year in my appraisal told my boss that if she didn't sort another member of staff out I would either explode or take the mickey - I have this years appraisal in September, and I shall be saying the same thing all over again

Hang in there
Rexi
Jeggo!  

Traumatised is the right word for it!   Benefit of hindsight n all that, I have made two big mistakes... I didn't get out early enough...  I should have bailed a year earlier than I did.  AND... I should have gone straight into another job.    I decided to take a break (which I pretty much had to... I had reached the stage of being unproductive .. burnt out)... which has meant its loads harder to go back to work.

Kinda like falling of a horse... I should have got straight back on.

Jeggo - its just not worth it, if there is anyway you get out then do it...  from the sound of it you'll leave in the end anyway, even if they have to break you to get you to do it!

and, and I know how hard it is to do it...  fgs keep a diary of everything that happens, however trivial.  I kinda did... but its so time consuming and the last thing I wanted to do every night was relive the hell I had been through during the day!  But, though I wouldn't have needed it for any tribunal type reasons (though I didn't know that at the time), I think it would have helped me personally later on.

If you wanna talk about it...  just shout...  there are quite a few FM's that have been through all this crap! 
Dirtyprettygirlthing
Reference: DP
Traumatised is the right word for it! Benefit of hindsight n all that, I have made two big mistakes... I didn't get out early enough... I should have bailed a year earlier than I did. AND... I should have gone straight into another job. I decided to take a break (which I pretty much had to... I had reached the stage of being unproductive .. burnt out)... which has meant its loads harder to go back to work.
Jeggo I was very similar to DP as she has written above. If there is any way you could manage financially I would recommend getting out now. Alternatively you do have rights and should go and speak with someone about what you are going through. It didn't work for me, I wasn't strong enough to go to court so I made it easy for them and just left. From the bottom of my heart I wish you all the very best, I genuinely know what you are going through   best of luck x
Fairfax
Reference: Rawky-Roo
What you should do is find out where she lives, then in the cold middle of the night go up to her front door step and spread loads of jam over it (flavour is optional), then in the morning her front door step will be covered in ants Mwahahahahahahahaha*cough hack* ahahahahahaha.
Is that your idea of giving someone hell?! Aww bless ya!
Karma_
Wow - thank you all so much  - you`ve brought tears to my eyes with your heartfelt replies.  It really helps to know I`m not the only one.

DPT - yes, you`re right about probably leaving anyway.  I know I`m totally in the right and could probably win at a tribunal but, at my age, I really don`t want the aggro and know my health would suffer even more.

I coming round to the fact that its probably better to be poor than in bad health.

But I`ve got to come to terms with the fact that they will get away with it - this is hard.

Thank you all so much - you`ve made me feel so much better.
Jeggo (Ben`s Buddy/Member of JJ`s LS]
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It really helps to know I`m not the only one.
yeah... it does doesn't it!   It feels like you are the only one in the world when its happening (especially when you know people can see what is going on... but they won't admit it)

 
I coming round to the fact that its probably better to be poor than in bad health.
mmmm.... well, I ended up both!     

Its tough... cos being on the breadline and constantly worried about cash can be almost as stressful.. 


But I`ve got to come to terms with the fact that they will get away with it - this is hard.
and I really don't know about this one.  I still haven't come to terms with it if I am honest... and it was 6 years ago!    And, in that time ;loads of what I was saying has been proven right (I worked in the NHS so changes of Chief Exec, scandals about over-spends & failing services make the papers).

But its still with me... this bit.  This is the payoff for "running"...  

I did see a solicitor (it had gone way past union reps)....  I could have gone for it... but it would have opened up one hell of a Pandora's box... potentially reaching as far as the Counter Fraud Squad.   Potentially though...  cos I have seen it happen... the top level closing ranks...  and lying through their teeth.... so what do you do?

I don't envy you the decision... but at least you are aware of the consequences...  I don't think I was when I chose to leave... I just wanted out at any cost in the end. 

Dirtyprettygirlthing
DPT - I`m sorry to hear what you`ve been through, but, like you say, not many of us are prepared to be the one to challenge the big boys - this is how they win.  This country is so corrupt, and its got worse since Maggie put paid to the Union`s powers. Its hardly worth joining a Union these days.

Yes, they close ranks.  It seems to me that once people get onto the management ladder they change. I`ve seen 3 people in our organisation, who originally worked at the `coal face` and were lovely people, change into little hitlers once they got onto the management level and have no hesitation in sticking the knife into people who were once their fellow workers.

Bless you DPT.
Jeggo (Ben`s Buddy/Member of JJ`s LS]
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Its hardly worth joining a Union these days.
there was no point in it for me.... I already knew, had already witnessed, discussions that used to go on between our Unison rep & management, behind the employees back!

ahhh.. the management thing.. yeah, I hate to say it but you're right!  

However, I did have one boss who was extraordinary... he was my mentor... and had mentored many many other people too... he was an amazing manager.

Shame he went and retired on me...  leaving me to face the lions by myself!

I am fine now Jeggo... the job front might not be sorted yet.. but I have alot to be happy about in my life..    I told you my story in case there was anything you could take from it to help you right now.

I don't even know you very well, but I hate thinking of anyone going through this crap
Dirtyprettygirlthing

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