Lets say for example... (a BEN thread)!

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IF any of the housemates constantly referred to Dave as a 'bible basher', or constantly called Josie 'Wurzel' or something like that...
but its OK for Dave/Nathan to keep referring to Ben as Fauntelroy/Raffles... because he has a posh voice and is educated - is that OK???
Ben has gone out of his way (posh or not) to make friends with ALL of the housemates (even the lowest of the low) - yet certain of his fellow housemates cant see/hear past his voice and automatically are suspicious of him... I'm sure is prejudice/discrimination of some sort (discrimination probably quite a harsh word - but can you see what I'm saying?)
thoughts anyone?

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SpiderMonkeyMember

Depends. If you're pro Ben it's unacceptable. If you're anti-Ben it's acceptable.

7/8/108:42 AM

squiggleMember 10 years

IF Ben had told them to eff off and been generally nasty they would not have gone on and on and on at him. What they cannot see is that they are showing their real colours by keep harping on at a guy who does not, on the whole, give it to them back.

7/8/108:42 AM

DanceSetteeMember

I think they're being nice doing that...under their breath they are probably calling him C*** !

BTW they refer to Dave as "the Monk" all the time

7/8/108:45 AM

Blizz'ardMember 10 years

Raffles was a gentleman thief.

You lost the argument, when you called some of them the 'lowest of the low', btw!

7/8/108:45 AM

JoyronMember

Well said Barmy and Squiggle. My thoughts exactly.

7/8/108:46 AM

BARMYBRUMMIE - Slickman to WIN!Member

Bliz - I was making a 'class' reference, not necessarily what I think - they are scared of him BECAUSE of his class - whereas HE isnt bothered WHAT class they are - he has tried to get on with all of them

7/8/108:47 AM

RiverRockMember

I never nickname a HM, and think its quite unsavoury imho.

I dislike the way people call JJ, peroide head or Barbie boy, Caoimhe as Kevin or Keeva etc. But thats just me.

7/8/108:47 AM

Blizz'ardMember 10 years

Reference: Barmy

IMO, they are questioning his beliefs and ideology, and quite rightly.

If he acts as though he is the elite and should be pandered to, they will rib him about it.

7/8/108:49 AM

jacksonbMember

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(even the lowest of the low)

and that phrase^^ negates any validity your post had.

7/8/108:50 AM

Former Member

I think they see past accent

7/8/108:50 AM

LeccyMember

Reference:

unsavoury

In my opinion that's a bit dramatic.

7/8/108:51 AM

longcatMember

But Barmy, Ben is doing it too

He mocks their accents and their education. So I guess if your going to dish it, you have to be able to accept it

7/8/108:54 AM

squiggleMember 10 years

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and that phrase^^ negates any validity your post had.

I don't think so. With respect I think that is slightly twisting the point that BARMYBRUMMIE was trying to make that Ben has made no difference in the way he has treated ANY HM whoever they are and wherever they have come from.

7/8/108:54 AM

Soozy WooMember

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You lost the argument, when you called some of them the 'lowest of the low', btw!

My thoughts exactly. Who exactly are the lowest of the low? How do you rate who's low or not?

7/8/108:56 AM

MargueritaMember

I am not getting into this class thing Barmy I love a posh voice Ben Fogle swoon but I like him for the person he is not because he has a posh voice, I also love the liverpool accent etc I dont like nicknames either wether you are posh or the lowest of the low whatever that means,I do think they all like Ben they have said he is funny etc even if they do argue with each other,it is his selfish attitude not wanting to do the tasks etc that is starting to grate on them,and how do you define class having a posh accent does not automatically say you have class ..

7/8/108:58 AM

RiverRockMember

Also Ben mocks JJ's accent no end.

7/8/109:04 AM

jacksonbMember

my problem is squiggle, with respect, that referring a class of people as the lowest of the low,is in it self elitist and snobbish,you cannot then go on to make the point that ben is being ridculed because of his class.

7/8/109:04 AM

ikatailiMember

I think if he takes it in good sport then it's ok....if he gets upset and asks them to stop and they dont then it's something else...it could be worse..

(I must confess if he were my mate, and I think Ben rocks, I'd probably call him Raffles or summat anyway

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7/8/109:07 AM

BARMYBRUMMIE - Slickman to WIN!Member

my point is they ARE picking on his because of his class, we had the same scenario last year with that idiot Kris and his cronies - scared of the posh boy - whereas BEN is not differentiating between any of them because of where they come from or what education they had. Ben isnt singling out any particular housemate for any particular reason. And yes, I agree Marge - having a posh accent does not necessarily equate with 'class'.

7/8/109:10 AM

jacksonbMember

i have a posh accent.

7/8/109:13 AM

RiverRockMember

Barmie Brummie,

Earlier Ben threw at Nathan and Steve, something along the lines of

'I will not have this argument with someone who has never read a book'

7/8/109:14 AM

ikatailiMember

Oooh Jackson :fnar:

(ello

..)

7/8/109:14 AM

squiggleMember 10 years

Nathan has been saying that his first impression of Ben was what we all felt that he was going to be an insufferable snob. But Ben is not like that and Nathan has now realised that. One of the reasons that I like Ben is that I, like many other FM's have got pretty fed up with the wannabees. Ben is a refreshing change in my viewpoint.

7/8/109:15 AM

BARMYBRUMMIE - Slickman to WIN!Member

RR ^^^ wowzers...

Unfortunately I havent got time to list the insults hurled at Ben simply because of his posh voice

7/8/109:16 AM

jacksonbMember

ello iki,xx.

doesn't ben want a job in tv or some thing?

7/8/109:17 AM

BARMYBRUMMIE - Slickman to WIN!Member

Squiggle - on another quick point - is Ben in the DR?

7/8/109:18 AM

RiverRockMember

Reference:

Unfortunately I havent got time to list the insults hurled at Ben simply because of his posh voice

I completely understand that Ben gets a torrent of abuse due to his accent, upbringing. however I was just pointing out that it is not one way traffic, and also in occasions like the one above he almost warrants some of the flack by acting superior.

7/8/109:19 AM

~Lee~Member

I dislike the way people call JJ, peroide head or Barbie boy, Caoimhe as Kevin or Keeva etc. But thats just me.

I call him Barbie Boy,reason being is he has Barbie dolls,odd I know but he's quite proud he owns a dark haired one....You never know your luck RR you be lucky enough to meet a fellow Barbie loving bloke,if you play your cards right he might even let you dress them and brush their hair.

7/8/109:19 AM

ikatailiMember

I just wish Ben had a pashmina

7/8/109:20 AM

squiggleMember 10 years

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Squiggle - on another quick point - is Ben in the DR?

Dunno I am not on LF but I will turn it on and see if I can spot him

7/8/109:20 AM

~Lee~Member

.Reference:

I just wish Ben had a pashmina

Awww never mind you can borrow his floral bandanna instead,

....Oops edit sorry it's Barbie Boy who has the bandanna.

7/8/109:22 AM

BARMYBRUMMIE - Slickman to WIN!Member

ok Squigs - I've got L/F on, thought I heard someone say Ben was in there - just wanted it confirmed

7/8/109:22 AM

Blizz'ardMember 10 years

He's one of the biggest wannabes in there!

I speak dead posh, too.

7/8/109:24 AM

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