Cilla (Squirrel lookee likey)Black and Judy Finnegan are another pair of divas.I speak from experience. Its always the z list who cause most havoc and the true genuine stars that demand nothing and are courteous and lovely.
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You know what the retort is, though. When these sheep are all nicely full of Welsh 'love', we ship them over the bridge and sell 'em to the English. To eat.
do you mean "we shag em, you eat em?" 
you're hobviously from a much posher part of Wales than I am.....I'm thinking upwind of Port Talbot area????
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you're hobviously from a much posher part of Wales than I am.....I'm thinking upwind of Port Talbot area????
Am I bollocks 
Who mentioned Cilla Black? I used to work with a rellie of hers. They never saw Cilla, far too grand..
Oh nooo don't say that Lecs say one night stands. Mommy Lecs was a first date once!!!
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It was in a hotel bar a billionty years ago, being the arrogant womaniser confident chap he is, he asked her to marry him. She laughed and said "No, but you can buy me a drink"...and thus ends the tale. Still, shy kids get nowt, as the saying goes
LOVE IT 
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Oh nooo don't say that Lecs say one night stands. Mommy Lecs was a first date once!!!
Oh no, Mammy Leccy is a lady, she was worth waiting for
Phew cos I was doing alot of lalalaing in my head. Regards to mammyL
Well I am now, I need brain bleach!
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Dame Shirl's a cow.
lol. That really made me laugh for some reason.
OK back to Dave. 
He's done at least one good thing today. I wonder does he do the 'What would Jebus do' thingy whatsit?
He's done at least one good thing today. I wonder does he do the 'What would Jebus do' thingy whatsit?
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the upping the fault of the victim merely trivialises and lessens the actions and guilt of the abuser That stance always pisses me off and just highlights what i said earlier in jest
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With respect, have you studied or researched domestic violence or mental or physical abuse, or experienced it to have the opinion you do?
all of the above
Me too, for a long time. And spent years thinking the same as you, that the victim holds no responsibility. This isn't the kind of discussion to have in this thread or on this forum really. But I know exactly why you hold that opinion and I know it's not as black and white as people who haven't been down that road like to believe. I'm gonna leave it there, think it's best we agree to disagree on this one.
I think we're going to have to agree to disagree here too K.
I think all the Erin Pizzey stuff just feeds into the general misogyny and stereotypical "mouthy woman" stuff...if only woman knew their place, and all that.
Plus I think it just kicks woman when they are already down, leading to an even bigger loss of self esteem, hope...
I think Ms Pizzey lost the plot when she said men are gentle and woman are dangerous
Blimey, threads don't half take some funny turns on here
I think all the Erin Pizzey stuff just feeds into the general misogyny and stereotypical "mouthy woman" stuff...if only woman knew their place, and all that.
Plus I think it just kicks woman when they are already down, leading to an even bigger loss of self esteem, hope...
I think Ms Pizzey lost the plot when she said men are gentle and woman are dangerous
Blimey, threads don't half take some funny turns on here
Leccy that isn't the angle I'm coming from at all. It's nothing to do with mouthy women or deserving it or anything like that, it's from a different perspective entirely. I'm not defending abusers in any shape, way or form. I wouldn't and never will. But I do have an understanding of how people can get trapped into an abusive situation. It's a tough one, cos it's not something a victim can comprehend whilst in the middle of it or even for years afterwards, it's only when you really start to look at your part in it, how you ended up there, patterns, trends etc that you (well, I) get a much clearer vision. And to get to that level of understanding means having to go back over a load of history, which isn't pleasant, but it's quite powerful stuff and is worth it. Everyone holds a different opinion I suppose. I just hold a different one today then I have done for the last 20 years. And ^^^ all that was me not getting back into it again 
Ok, I get where you're coming from more now...
And yeah, a Dave thread in the height of BB season probably isn't the best place for a subject like this...We need a serious threads bit
I think the tricky bit is, that's all a bit more in depth and academic...it's something that requires a bit of an understanding of psychology or behavioural theories. I wouldn't like to think any of our dodgier characters saw it and thought "see I was right, trappy woman need to shurrup"
And yeah, a Dave thread in the height of BB season probably isn't the best place for a subject like this...We need a serious threads bit
I think the tricky bit is, that's all a bit more in depth and academic...it's something that requires a bit of an understanding of psychology or behavioural theories. I wouldn't like to think any of our dodgier characters
saw it and thought "see I was right, trappy woman need to shurrup" 
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We need a serious threads bit
It was serious
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It was serious
Aww 
We're thread killers, maybe Dave could pray for you to have a new and improved thread
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I think he should turn in his Welsh passport for that.
Actually I do know of someone who panicked when faced with the Severn Bridge toll booths. Not because he didn't have his ÂĢ5.60 entry fee but because he thouht it was passport control. And Ms Zeta Jones used to be 2 years younger than me. Now she's 6 years younger. Go figure.
As for Dave, I think pre damascene conversion he'd have been grand. His religious conversion has done him no favours. He cannot say "The Bible says homosexuality is wrong" then insist he is personally tolerant. He cannot have it both ways.
Our Shirl is a legend
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I wouldn't like to think any of our dodgier characters saw it and thought "see I was right, trappy woman need to shurrup"
xxxxNow back to Dave. Ah yes. *Blasphemes just for the hell of it*
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Our Shirl is a legend
She was ace at Glasto a couple of years back! Arrived by helicopter wearing wellies and a shiny frock 
Dave said this afternoon, that if he wins he is going to build an orphanage in India with the money I thought it was against the rules to talk about what you would do with the money.
Dave is grating right on my norks and I aint even seen his face for at least 24 hours!
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Dave said this afternoon, that if he wins he is going to build an orphanage in India with the money I thought it was against the rules to talk about what you would do with the money.
Is it??? I'm sure others in the past have said what they would do with their winnings. Or is it a new rule?
Hasn't getting Caoimhe in the firing line redeemed (oo-er, contentious religious word there!) him just a little?
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Are is it a new rule?
Im sure I read somewhere that it was cos it could influence votes, that's why Craig Phillips never said what he would do with the money before he won.