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Brisket, I can honestly say I can't give a conclusive answer, however I do think Gollum is the cleverer/sneakier  of the two. Madam Shabby has probably watched the programme for years and therefore is more BB street smart, but if you look at the nom result tonight, Shabby is up for eviction!!! So I would therefore say that Govan is the mastermind
Fairfax
Listening to the little squirt for the past hour or so, even I never clicked on how devious and manipulative Govan is. I feel a sheer dislike for a person I don't even know, I would not entertain someone like that with 100yards of me to be honest.I do think he's the stirrer and Shabby will probably be his mouth piece.

Shabby was the mouth until Govan was comfortable within the group, now he's definitely coming across as the more odious of the two in my opinion.
Dame_Ann_Average
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hehe i just put a thread asking the same thing i don't know who starts it, i thought it was Shabby but i'm not so sure now. Govan is a little creep.
Ooops, sorry Strike didn't see your thread  I've listened to him in the early hours with his girls around him and he's blatantly been influencing them, doesn't fair to me even though I'm no fan of Shabby's either
Yellow Rose
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I'm puzzled as to why BB punished Shabby for influencing noms and yet he, who clearly for several days has been influencing some HM's, has been let off. I don't get it
I think it's because in her conversation she specifically mentioned nominations three or four times. Ironically as she said - it really wasn't about who she was going to nominate but .................if you use the word nominate in conversation .......you're talking about nominations aren't you? Silly mare - can't stand her TBH.
Soozy Woo

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