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Actually wages are comparable right across Europe. BUT ticket prices are not. I have a season ticket but if I wanted the cheapest match ticket at my local Division 2 (in real money) team it would be ÂĢ26 GBP. For that you could watch a top game in Germany, drink a few half litres of beer while watching, and still have enough for a bratwurst and sauerkraut supper.
Garage Joe
I think football is going to overspend it's way into oblivion if it's not very careful. So many clubs going bankrupt every year, and if Man utd are in financial difficulties what hope for the rest of them. I blame Sky tv for the large sums paid to premiership clubs in particular for live coverage. This has led to overspending based on expecting the Sky cash.
LowonIQ
3.20 a.m. and Sky News have just announced an item about:
"several premiership  footballers have refused to support an anti-homophobic campaign (presumably the same campaign referred to in the Opening Thread) for fear of damaging their image."
Which is the equivalent of saying that money is more important than conscience or fairness, or it could be that they are indeed homophobic themselves.

Or even that they themselves are not unfamiliar with gay tendencies.
Pathetic! and Weak!
brisket
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Hubby's a football fan but I'm not, totally bores me lol. From observation over the years they're overpaid for running around a field with a ball, doctors/nurses and others who serve the community deserve what they're making. They're cosseted by their club or FA when their behaviour on the pitch or off in real life situations shouldn't be acceptable or excused.

If footballers feel they can't support the anti homophobic campaign they continue to give a negative message about fotballers and the sport in general, no surprise

Yellow Rose
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Oh yeah there's still sexism at football matches, I'm not going to deny that. But I honestly haven't heard any racist or homophobic abuse at a football match for a good 4 or 5 years.
I agree. It seems to be something restricted to an Arsenal, Chelsea, and Tottenham triangle and that mostly due to ill-constructed notions of loyalty. Though to be fair, I'm not sure what the effect of someone coming out would be.

In the top right any abuse seems to be  club based. For example we might be playing Barnsley and find out that their goalkeeper's mother once shopped at Binns in Sunderland. That makes him fair game in my book.
Garage Joe

In society,if one in 10 people are gay , where are all the gay Premiership stars hiding? It's a question that's often asked, but there are only whispers, dodgy rumours and malicious media gossip for answers.

Football, it seems, is one of the last professional environments where you can't be out and proud. In every other entertainment industry we have gay stars. Why should football be different? Are football fans really so incapable of watching a gay player without abusing him? The same bunch of fans who are routinely homophobic always sing along to the camp-as-you-like Scissors Sisters anthems played at grounds up and down the country or the Pet Shop Boys song 'Go West'?

Famously, Justin Fashanu was the only footballer who dared come out back in 1990, and eight years later he killed himself. But football was a very different place then. Racism was still a major problem: players being covered in boot polish or given a hiding. Had Justin been white, maybe he'd have had a different experience. In those days football was also much more homoerotic, with more bum-patting and kissing - so maybe the presence of an openly gay footballer would have upset the comfort zones.

Sportsmen and women have come out in other sports, but it hasn't always been a straightforward process - although Martina Navratilova continued to be successful on the tennis court, she claims she lost out on $12million in sponsorship deals. Many athletes prefer to wait until they retire, like John Amaechi, the British former NBA player, did a few years ago. I was watching the TV when his announcement flashed up. Although many have not heard of John, as a keen basketball fan I have enjoyed reading about him and watching some of his games, but I would never have guessed he was gay.

But then again, how can you ever guess? Footballers are superstars these days and yet very few open their private lives up to the media. So people hear a name and the rumour that he's gay and they don't even know that he's married with three kids. Not that you can't be gay and married, but anyone can see a footballer and invent an identity for him.

No one's ever come out to me during my 10 years playing and coaching my local team . But I must say I've seen and heard some strange things, remarks that could suggest someone is gay or bisexual. I've heard drunken footballers egging each other on to do certain things for a certain amount of money. Maybe it's routine stuff, part and parcel of what goes on in every pub team across the country, but it made me wonder why they would be talking about it if they were straight.

That's just me speculating, but speculation is half the fear factor around coming out. Gossip is a brutal thing and footballers are no better than anyone else. In the old days we used to invent rumours for a laugh and then watch them spread. We'd say, 'Did you know so and so is gay? No, he isn't really, but it would make a great rumour.' Even now rumours about certain players fly round by text message. 'Do you know who it is?' But there's no certainty in it, it's just old wives gassing over the fence.

Much of it is about banter, an excuse to wind an opponent up on the field. Like Robbie Fowler parting his bum cheeks to annoy Graeme Le Saux. I don't believe Robbie is homophobic, I think he was just being childish. But it was blown out of all proportion. The media are like a pack of snarling dogs - they want to get their teeth into something and the thought of gay footballers is a major bone for them, if you'll excuse the pun.

It's the media's favourite taboo. They love to spin stories and, if they do it without naming people, it keeps the mystery going because the footballers they are hinting at cannot defend themselves. All this Player A and Player B nonsense: it's a witch-hunt. The accused players must feel terrrible and angry. The intense speculation must cause a lot of problems for their loved ones. Families have to put up with being approached in the street and taunted about it. It's scary to think that as a society we are still using such things as cheap fun.

I wish all the gay footballers would come out so we could just get on with it. I find this view refreshing. In marketing terms they could make a fortune. Just imagine, football's first gay couple playing for rival teams, arguing about offside decisions over the dinner table. They would do Hello! magazine, chatshows, advertisements. Would it upset players being naked in the changing room together? What about the after-hours highly homoerotic activities - indulging in football threesomes and roastings? Would football culture ever be the same again? I can't imagine it would be possible for a 17-year-old to come out, no matter how good he was. The protective bubble of success wouldn't be there. You'd have to prove yourself first before you could be openly gay and still be accepted.

And football is a sheltered existence. Even if you're accepted for being gay as a football star, it could be different once you retire. It could come back to haunt you. Football is transient, loyalties quickly switch. In football your team-mates one day could be your opponents the next.

Down the years I could easily have been accused of being gay. I was a bit different  I practised yoga; I read, I paint. I've been to The Boardwalk - a gay club in Manchester - although I was with my wife at the time, and I've even driven past the local gay dogging spot.  - there were a couple of guys in tight black shorts and vests looking like Village People try-outs.

I have a number of gay friends and although they wouldn't want me shouting from the rooftops about their sexuality, I'd like to encourage them to come out. I accept that it's easy for me to say that, but how many more years will it be before we can talk openly about gay men playing professional football? Homophobic chanting is outlawed, which is a start. It'll still take some sort of new age hero to be the first to come out, but I just hope, for football's sake, that it happens soon.

marcus
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I don't believe Robbie is homophobic, I think he was just being childish. But it was blown out of all proportion
That's probably correct. However I'm surprised that the FA considered the coke sniffing celebration to be twice as offensive as his gesture to Le Saux. Then of course he wore a shirt to support the dockers so he can't be all bad.
Garage Joe
marcus
Thank you for your excellent post.
I am absolutely convinced we have gay footballers.
I think it's sad that they feel they cannot be openly gay (if they want to that is.)
It is hypocritical of many sportsmen to even suggest or hint that it would be uncomfortable in the changing rooms. Come on, the "straightest" of "straight men"
cannot resist a crafty peek at other "straight men". That's to do with human nature; not to do with being gay. Men compare. Always have and always will. Orientation doesn't change that.
It's so terribly sad that some gay people can be pressured into staying in the closet and even made to feel guilty or ashamed. They should not be ashamed of being themselves.
I remain convinced that some of those with the loudest accusing mouths have, themselves got secrets about their orientation.
Again thanks for extensive post marcus.
brisket
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Haven't read all the replies but your thread reminded me that a few months ago a Rugby player was on a news channel admitting to being gay. I just wondered why he felt a need, or a pressure, to do this. It's his personal life and I couldn't see how or why it would affect anyone else.
Yeah...Gareth Thomas - you'd certainly know him if you followed rugby at all!
http://www.guardian.co.uk/worl...pplaud-gareth-thomas

It's worth reading the article. He was married for 4 years but told his wife in 2006. Sadly a lot of men feel such pressure to conform. Especially those in "macho" careers, and let's face it you don't get much more macho than rugby!
Cariad
I'm always a bit bemused by the blokes that rage on about homosexuality etc.Giving it all the macho stuff etc.Do they really feel that threatened by it? Or is it , that has been suggested in a lot of findings they fear the truth about themselves.
If you are happy being hetero etc,why bother about anything else.
There seems to be this myth that gay blokes will jump on any man etc.do us a favour.Alas they think that we women will also fall fo their "charms".
kattymieoww

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