Nah she does not make the effort in any which way to do anything I like Nicola she is sociable and a team player unlike Sov..

Nicola is a player in the game.  If she dislikes someone she wouldn't say it to their face.  I think Vinnie saw that WAG conversation as a chance to undermine her credentials.  Sov may have surprised people with her survival but I don't think anyone there thinks yet she is a contender to win.

I agree, longcat.

As she says, she feels invisible in there.

And then they moan about her not being a 'team' player.
Maybe they should try talking to her!

Blizzie I feel most knew who everybody was when they entered from their careers or from gossip columns. No-one knew who Sov was or what she does and no-one seems to want to know. Stephs words were "I don't even know what the creature does. I have never heard of her"

Yep, Steph is a top-class Biatch!

Sov should sing her song "Love me or hate me" to Steph

Jeeez. " the creature". Stephanie's turning out to be more of a poisonous ham than that one Sharon Osbourne lobbed over her neighbours fence!

 I get the impression Sov isn't sure how to get involved or fit in , and each time she tries she'd getting blocked- maybe that's why she's living up to her "rebellious" reputation?

I think if I was being ignored on a regular basis I would rebel too.I hope she eats all their corned beef

.. or stashes the beans in Stephanie's neck wrinkles

She could hide the entire larder in her wrinkles.

Who is he to 'undermine' anyones credentials. His wife was a WAG too so what's his problem.

God thats mean.

I am surprised that the word chav hasn't been mentioned yet.

Well I don't feel sorry for Sov....she's a prize brat, but calling her a 'creature' was harsh by any standards

I noticed that too.  Nicola hijacked the conversation and little Sov looked hurt

Yes nearly as mean as calling someone a creature.

Well she has a gob on her, why didn't she re-direct the conversation back to herself or say to Nicola, wait a mo, I was just speaking with Vinnie. No, she has to behave like a spoiled brat and throw a strop. I cannot believe she is in her 20's.

Sov likes football and had heard about Vinnie's playing days.


Creature is harsh, petulant, sulky or moody or brattish isn't though.

She has thrown many, many strops, but she didn't on that occasion.  She walked off looking small and crestfallen.  I think she feels like an outsider with no kindred spirits.  It would just have been nice to see her having a discussion for once about something she cares about

the way i see it is that vinnie has taken the alpha male role and so most either fall in with him and his views(steph, ivana,alex,stephen) and it's vinnie who  who sets the agenda, at first it was katia, then sov and now he's dipping his toe in the water regarding  nic.
he seems to be singling the  younger ones(especially the girls) and then spreading his view amongst the others. 
both kat and sov seem entirely unaware of the pecking order  and positioning the olds are adopting, i am sure both kat and sov have felt the effects of it though.
under those circumstances and having very little support in there, i think  most of us may react badly.

Well said Jackson......I couldn't agree with you more

Yeah and I'd never heard of Stephanie, don't know anything about her and quite frankly don't want to know anything about her.

Yeah Longcat thats disgustingly low which I have said in another thread, but you two wrongs don't make a right.