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*points and laughs*

Are we still bristling because Nick Griffiths referred to us as creepy?

If it's any consolation they tried to beat me up in the early seventies on my way home from University. Long hair, loons, and starry starry shirts, were tantamount to homosexuality as far as yer average Tang Hall scratter was concerned.
Garage Joe
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Are we still bristling because Nick Griffiths referred to us as creepy?
Actually, I understand what he feels.  I'm sure lots of men find displays of homosexual affection in public very odd, and even shocking.  Especially older men who see it.  No doubt, many men would find homosexual acts quite repulsive.  One of my mates, who is really quite camp and metrosexual as a marketing 'executive', really surprised me by being nearly driven to rage by a couple of women - not your porn movie busty blondes, it has to be said - kissing passionately in a pub beer garden on a quiet Saturday afternoon.  I even have twinges of homophonia myself, ironically.  Of course, personal visceral emotions should not lead to rejecting philosophical questions of equality or the harm principle of liberal thought.  That's Griffin's failure there, not the fact that he finds us creepy.
FM

Alan Johnson probably didn't have much choice, really.  As New Labour is trying to appeal to the middle classes, whilst simultaneously bleeding them dry financially, they have to take a Daily Mail view of drugs even if it's contradicted by the Real World.

New Labour will eventually be brought down by the weight of its own contradictions.  Blair thought he'd found the way through his Third Way: social equality through market economics, I suppose.  All he did was create more social inequality between strata and create new strata by forcing an equality agenda through social diversity.  One new stratum is the disenfranchised and angry lower working class: people who ought to be Labour's bread and butter.

FM
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Old Labour is dead and attempts to revive it would be like trying to persuade people to throw away the internet and start using libraries and sending hand-written letters; a pointless waste of energy. The world has moved on. Even the 1970s was an anachronism as far as class-based politics is concerned.
You can't kill a squadron.

With a little imagination surely you can think up a series of world events that would lead for example to the death of the internet. Always expect the unexpected.
Garage Joe
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With a little imagination surely you can think up a series of world events that would lead for example to the death of the internet. Always expect the unexpected.
The Internet is not a single thing, in essence it's privately owned by many, many companies and individuals and organisations; both content and the underlying technology.

There are series of world events that would undermine any sense of class or community too.  It's been said that we're only 5 or 6 days away from a Hobbesian State of Nature at any given time.  And I'm prepared for that.  I own a bow and arrows and I'm quite proficient at shooting. 
FM
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Or The One Show. At least Tony Blair is gone thats a relief, things can only get better, errmm no they didn't.
No things got unbelievably worse, and with the Lisbon Treaty being bulldozed through without any input from us hold on to your hats because it will probably get a whole lot worse.  Can we vote ourselves out of this mess in any way in the future?  No we can't.
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It's an interesting one.  He's pulling the civil service card in effect - treating the guy as a civil servant who should be restrained by the politics.  I suppose the government is not obliged to take the advice of its experts but they look a bit daft treating cannabis as a dangerous drug when their advisors say it isn't particular dangerous on the whole.
FM
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No things got unbelievably worse, and with the Lisbon Treaty being bulldozed through without any input from us hold on to your hats because it will probably get a whole lot worse. Can we vote ourselves out of this mess in any way in the future? No we can't.
TBF no-one has been more anti-europe than George Bush's poodle and his successor Brown. He refused to join the Euro  went against Europe's views on Iraq
and supported the USA's viewpoint everytime. No wonder they don't want him as Pres.
Garage Joe

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