noooooooooooooooo!!!!!! really?.....i gotta get wid da programme!!!!

... and in keeping with the question asked, so was I.

lol.... 

I re read it a bit later on and realised that's what you meant!  

Nevertheless I'm nothing like him. Whilst I would like a bit of "world domination"  I can confirm that I smerk tabs, drink beeyah, and have an eye for the ladies.

Neither is my brother!  

My mum used to get really upset when I would pipe up with "Its Hitler's birthday today too"  every year on brothers birthday! 

Its kinda a tradition now!

Someone said to my Mum, "What on earth were you thinking of?"


"What has all this got to do with Bruce and SCD?" I can hear disinterested observers saying.

Phew! *wipes brow on behalf of youngest vegkin who was born on 19th April and therefore is nowt like old Adolf*

although he is a vegetarian

... as long as he doesn't start saying that he wants more living room, you should be OK.

You know I never knew I was supposed to get offended when I get called a Brit...

My American friends are in for some trouble.

That would be disastrous after the abortive School cafeteria Putsch of 2000

See?  This is how it all starts 

TRUFAX!1!!!111!!!!!


That and allowing him to take Ballroom dancing lessons from some bloke called Anton

"Gentlemen! The cafeteria revolution has broken out! The hall is filled with six hundred children. Nobody is allowed to leave. The school government and the headmaster are deposed. A new government will be formed at once. The staffrooms and those of the caretaker are occupied. Both have rallied to the beans, vegetable hamburgers and mash, on plastic dishes!"
During this time, speeches were held in the main hall by young master veggieburger obtaining a temporary calm, while no one was allowed to leave, not even to go to the toilet.

Say "No" to Ballroom!

Wow.   Nice bollocks.

Looks more like a mangina

PMSL Joe - that's exactly how it went down!!

I don't want to offend anyone, however, I have to say it as I see it.  where I live we call the local corner shop the P*kie's. Now if you don't like it , tough, cause even the local Pakistani's call it that! Now correct me if I'm wrong but, we are in the UK. We have certain local stuff that we say, it's not meant to be racist, degrading or owt else, it's just stuff we say. Are we not allowed to keep our coloquialisms? We have a culture too.  Everyone's culture and customs seem to be more important than the host nations in my humble opinion.  If I was called a Scot, Jock, Haggis, or anything else it would not bother me so why does it bother you?  Is there something sinister in that P word that I don't know?  We need to know the truth, what the f*** is it?  If it's something so bad I will never use that word again, but to ordinary people like me it's just short for Pakistani Person.

Well despite all the absoloutely ridiculous and over hyped hoo hah ..........Anton and Lailla danced well tonight.

Surely to God a line should be drawn under it .

I get called a Scot...doesn't bother me. I get called a f***ing Scot and I go radgey.

No, we are not.  It's not to do with host culture, it's to do with racism.  Besides, we don't really have a host culture at the level you're talking about.

Yes I accept that she was offended and I can understand that, but she was THE ONLY ONE with any right to get offended as his "joke comment" was only aimed at her.


But we all must accept that she forgave him and has been saying wonderful things about him and seems very close to him, and we all must accept the context in which he meant that remark, in the 70's and 80's most people who were not racist in the slightest would say (when going to the corner shop) that they were going to the "P" word as it was a nick name for those who run corner shops, nower days we rightly dont use such words as to not offend, but it shows that word had it's place with non racist people.


I think that Anton just didn't understand how bad that word is these days, but he knows now and has apologised...case closed.

Maybe you don't but where I live we do.

That's not a bad answer, I suppose, if local culture trumps national culture.  But does it?  In places like Leicester, the local culture is a mix of a number of sub-cultures which work together.  Does that local culture trump the desire of some people who perceive the host culture as, say, white British along Daily Mail lines?

The UK as a whole has a secular culture now, which means that committed Christians are a small minority.  Yet the CofE religion is still interwined a bit in our state apparatus.  What's the host culture?  Christian or secular?  I think it's secular.

I'm gay and it's only in the last 15 years or so that we've been treated properly, at least from my point of view, and the host culture is now nominally gay-friendly.  Should we have tried to change the mainstream culture 20-30 years ago from where our orientation was treated as a mental illness and sexual activity between consenting adults was a crime?  At what point did our gay-friendly culture become the mainstream culture and people unhappy with that development become part of a minority culture and under an obligation to change? 

What about the emancipation of women?  Should women at the turn of the last century have conformed to the mainstream culture and just shut up?  Or was changing it a progressive move thus making the misogynists, chauvinists, and sexists out of date and a bit iffy?

Perhaps there's an implication here that the non-religious, the gay people, and the women partly-owned the mainstream culture as they were born here and so had some sort of right to change it?  But we're probably on our third generation of locally-born people of South Asian heritage now so that doesn't wash.  Perhaps there's an implication then that people have to be able to track their generations back so many generations to qualify for a right to push for change?  But why?  And for how many?

Of course, none of that accounts for people like me who are locally-born and can track their generations back and have the right, like women, the non-religious, and homosexuals to name a few groups, to push for change even if we're not one or other of those groups.  So, who owns our host culture and is a gatekeeper for changes?  You, or me?

I don't think either of us  have any hegemony
Neither you nor I.
Probably a mixture of News International, The France based Tax Payers Alliance, and other foreign owned hegemonic influences.

I had an uncle who was known as Packie - which has been used as a shortened form of Padraic for many years before Pakistan even came into being we had to tell him that we couldn't call him that name when he was in England and explained why.  I also had an uncle Blackie who had to be told the same (black haired people were often in the 60s and 70s called Blackie cos of their hair) Once you know a word is offensive to some people, you simply stop using it.

That is absolutely the essence of this discussion isn't it Pengy? I'm curious however... how did your uncles react, and do you think they encouraged others to stop using those nicknames once you'd told them?

Xochiquetzal they both had to accept that the terms were unacceptable.  I do remember once in the 80s one of my uncle's friends shouted "how are ya blackie" at him just as an afro-caribbean gentleman walked passed, who obviously thought he was talking to him.  My uncle was mortified and refused to answer to the name and didn't till his dying day.  His friends got the message as well.

If anyone then it's still the Liberal Elite but News International is in competition with it.  Luckily, the Liberal Elite are more articulate and have better arguments.

 *she posts, inarticulate like*

Doddery he's not

Indeed! But no-one pays them any attention.