quote:Originally posted by cologne1:
If I only had limited access to my child and thought s/he was in any danger, I'd be outside the SS offices every morning badgering them to do something. If he did that, all good, if not don't start demanding compensation now. He was as responsible for his child as the mother.
I am not sure if he had full access and I hardly believe a word the papers say these daysquote:Originally posted by Pretty_P:quote:Originally posted by Bagel Queen:
well I hope he does bloody sue em..good luck to him and on another note, does it feel good for some of you to constantly take the piss out of Pretty P everytime she posts a topic? leave her alone for gawds sake, you trolled her enough with yer ganging up the other day
I just think that by suing them he is kinding of making a mockery of the whole thing - the money won't bring the little boy back and it certainly wouldn't replace him - I personally would not respect someone who seeks money in such cases - if he sought to improve awareness of child abuse and did charity work for such causes in his sons name I would support him a whole lot more!!
quote:Originally posted by Darthhoob:quote:Originally posted by Pretty_P:quote:Originally posted by Bagel Queen:
well I hope he does bloody sue em..good luck to him and on another note, does it feel good for some of you to constantly take the piss out of Pretty P everytime she posts a topic? leave her alone for gawds sake, you trolled her enough with yer ganging up the other day
I just think that by suing them he is kinding of making a mockery of the whole thing - the money won't bring the little boy back and it certainly wouldn't replace him - I personally would not respect someone who seeks money in such cases - if he sought to improve awareness of child abuse and did charity work for such causes in his sons name I would support him a whole lot more!!
dont faint! but i agree with you
quote:Originally posted by Bagel Queen:quote:Originally posted by Darthhoob:quote:Originally posted by Pretty_P:quote:Originally posted by Bagel Queen:
well I hope he does bloody sue em..good luck to him and on another note, does it feel good for some of you to constantly take the piss out of Pretty P everytime she posts a topic? leave her alone for gawds sake, you trolled her enough with yer ganging up the other day
I just think that by suing them he is kinding of making a mockery of the whole thing - the money won't bring the little boy back and it certainly wouldn't replace him - I personally would not respect someone who seeks money in such cases - if he sought to improve awareness of child abuse and did charity work for such causes in his sons name I would support him a whole lot more!!
dont faint! but i agree with you
fudge me!! *faints*!!
quote:Originally posted by Darthhoob:quote:Originally posted by Bagel Queen:quote:Originally posted by Darthhoob:quote:Originally posted by Pretty_P:quote:Originally posted by Bagel Queen:
well I hope he does bloody sue em..good luck to him and on another note, does it feel good for some of you to constantly take the piss out of Pretty P everytime she posts a topic? leave her alone for gawds sake, you trolled her enough with yer ganging up the other day
I just think that by suing them he is kinding of making a mockery of the whole thing - the money won't bring the little boy back and it certainly wouldn't replace him - I personally would not respect someone who seeks money in such cases - if he sought to improve awareness of child abuse and did charity work for such causes in his sons name I would support him a whole lot more!!
dont faint! but i agree with you
fudge me!! *faints*!!
quote:Originally posted by Pretty_P:quote:Originally posted by Bagel Queen:
well I hope he does bloody sue em..good luck to him and on another note, does it feel good for some of you to constantly take the piss out of Pretty P everytime she posts a topic? leave her alone for gawds sake, you trolled her enough with yer ganging up the other day
I just think that by suing them he is kinding of making a mockery of the whole thing - the money won't bring the little boy back and it certainly wouldn't replace him - I personally would not respect someone who seeks money in such cases - if he sought to improve awareness of child abuse and did charity work for such causes in his sons name I would support him a whole lot more!!
BTW thanks for the support there - nice to know that there are some on here who don't hate me!!
quote:Originally posted by luxor:quote:Originally posted by fookat:
he has a point.. what is the point of social workers if they cant spot the injuries he had?!
Maybe he couldnt get to see him...
Social workers are not medical experts. He should be suing the doctors who failed to spot his broken bones and bruises.
And if he was o concerned why did he hand the lad back to her after his visits. If he was that concerned then breaking the law to highlight it, would have been a small price to pay.
quote:Originally posted by felix:
I think there should be a compulsory monthly medical examination for any child at risk and under the 'care' of social services. To hell with parent 'human rights'. And as she was a drug user, her rights to motherhood should have been temporary withdrawn. I think a compulsory rehab, with a clean bill of health and proof that she is capable of looking after her kids, may have avoided this tragedy.
quote:Originally posted by Blizzie:quote:Originally posted by felix:
I think there should be a compulsory monthly medical examination for any child at risk and under the 'care' of social services. To hell with parent 'human rights'. And as she was a drug user, her rights to motherhood should have been temporary withdrawn. I think a compulsory rehab, with a clean bill of health and proof that she is capable of looking after her kids, may have avoided this tragedy.
According to the link:
Channel 4 News reported that social services were so concerned about Connelly when she was growing up that they had her placed on the child protection register when she was 11. Her biological father, a convicted paedophile, raped a minor in the Midlands in the 1970s.
We have to stop this cycle.
quote:Originally posted by tupps:
Sue them? It won't make a blind bit of difference. It won't bring the child back and it won't hit them in the pocket because they are insured and if they weren't it is the public purse which would be hit. In fact if their premiums are bumped up it'll only hit public funds again.. and we know where some of that money comes from.
If he thinks the LA have a case to answer and they did not act lawfully or were derelict in their duty of care he is better off bringing an action against them or pushing for comprehensive reviews that would try and bring about change.
quote:Originally posted by Blizzie:quote:Originally posted by felix:
I think there should be a compulsory monthly medical examination for any child at risk and under the 'care' of social services. To hell with parent 'human rights'. And as she was a drug user, her rights to motherhood should have been temporary withdrawn. I think a compulsory rehab, with a clean bill of health and proof that she is capable of looking after her kids, may have avoided this tragedy.
According to the link:
Channel 4 News reported that social services were so concerned about Connelly when she was growing up that they had her placed on the child protection register when she was 11. Her biological father, a convicted paedophile, raped a minor in the Midlands in the 1970s.
We have to stop this cycle.
quote:Originally posted by cologne1:quote:Originally posted by Blizzie:quote:Originally posted by felix:
I think there should be a compulsory monthly medical examination for any child at risk and under the 'care' of social services. To hell with parent 'human rights'. And as she was a drug user, her rights to motherhood should have been temporary withdrawn. I think a compulsory rehab, with a clean bill of health and proof that she is capable of looking after her kids, may have avoided this tragedy.
According to the link:
Channel 4 News reported that social services were so concerned about Connelly when she was growing up that they had her placed on the child protection register when she was 11. Her biological father, a convicted paedophile, raped a minor in the Midlands in the 1970s.
We have to stop this cycle.
I agree, but how do you do it? It's been going on since time immemorial.
quote:Originally posted by Garage Joe:quote:Originally posted by cologne1:quote:Originally posted by Blizzie:quote:Originally posted by felix:
I think there should be a compulsory monthly medical examination for any child at risk and under the 'care' of social services. To hell with parent 'human rights'. And as she was a drug user, her rights to motherhood should have been temporary withdrawn. I think a compulsory rehab, with a clean bill of health and proof that she is capable of looking after her kids, may have avoided this tragedy.
According to the link:
Channel 4 News reported that social services were so concerned about Connelly when she was growing up that they had her placed on the child protection register when she was 11. Her biological father, a convicted paedophile, raped a minor in the Midlands in the 1970s.
We have to stop this cycle.
I agree, but how do you do it? It's been going on since time immemorial.
Have I introduced you to the much maligned Nanny State?
quote:Originally posted by felix:
Would his lawyer advise on an action?
Maybe it depends how committed he is to bring about change or whether he has the right people around him for advise.
quote:Originally posted by cologne1:quote:Originally posted by Blizzie:
According to the link:
Channel 4 News reported that social services were so concerned about Connelly when she was growing up that they had her placed on the child protection register when she was 11. Her biological father, a convicted paedophile, raped a minor in the Midlands in the 1970s.
We have to stop this cycle.
I agree, but how do you do it? It's been going on since time immemorial.
quote:Originally posted by Blizzie:quote:Originally posted by cologne1:quote:Originally posted by Blizzie:
According to the link:
Channel 4 News reported that social services were so concerned about Connelly when she was growing up that they had her placed on the child protection register when she was 11. Her biological father, a convicted paedophile, raped a minor in the Midlands in the 1970s.
We have to stop this cycle.
I agree, but how do you do it? It's been going on since time immemorial.
By doing the opposite of what happened in this case, basically.
More social workers, better education, less turning a blind eye and hoping for the best.
quote:Originally posted by cologne1:
Yes, but that requires a different mood in this society and by that I mean that the SS, police and teachers need to be able to do their job without having to worry about somebody suing them at the drop of a hat. Maybe our values aren't as good as we thought and we have to re-think. Not a popular way of thinking, I know that, but things were broken some time ago and they need fixing and I'm really not talking about corporal punishment or bring back hanging, just some common sense.
quote:Originally posted by felix:
Could you elaborate on Nanny state please
quote:Originally posted by Blizzie:quote:Originally posted by cologne1:
Yes, but that requires a different mood in this society and by that I mean that the SS, police and teachers need to be able to do their job without having to worry about somebody suing them at the drop of a hat. Maybe our values aren't as good as we thought and we have to re-think. Not a popular way of thinking, I know that, but things were broken some time ago and they need fixing and I'm really not talking about corporal punishment or bring back hanging, just some common sense.
Oh, I agree cologne, but I hardly think this is 'at the drop of a hat'.
Humans brought up in brutal homes, or in degradation, will have different values to those brought up in completely different circumstances.
Unless we recognise this and help to change their lives for the better, the cycle will continue.
We need to put far more money into social work though, to make any difference.
quote:Originally posted by cologne1:
I completely agree, but where will this money go? If it's only used to get better paid officials, nothing will ever change. Also, from personal experience, people have been brought up in brutal homes for as long as we can all remember. By personal experience I mean it happened to my siblings, I was lucky as I was adopted and didn't have the treatment inflicted on me, but most of them are dead now because of what happened to them and they have left a trail of destruction done to their children. I wish for politicians and other authorities to come from these backgrounds. It's the only way to get some understanding.
quote:Originally posted by Blizzie:quote:Originally posted by cologne1:
I completely agree, but where will this money go? If it's only used to get better paid officials, nothing will ever change. Also, from personal experience, people have been brought up in brutal homes for as long as we can all remember. By personal experience I mean it happened to my siblings, I was lucky as I was adopted and didn't have the treatment inflicted on me, but most of them are dead now because of what happened to them and they have left a trail of destruction done to their children. I wish for politicians and other authorities to come from these backgrounds. It's the only way to get some understanding.
I mean we need far more social workers, really.
Every child at risk should have as much help as we can give them, if we want to avoid the cycle your siblings ended up in.
quote:Originally posted by Suzi-Q:
The complexities of this case are immense and we are only seeing/hearing tidbits that the media are giving out.
The father contacted the authorities many times and was ignored. Could that be because the mother convinced the authorities that he was just being vengeful?
Baby P WAS taken to hospital, by who, I don't know because I can't remember and he had a broken back. He was screaming because he was in intense pain and the doctor on duty dismissed him without doing a full exam. IMO, the doctor was guilty of neglect.
The father, and I think the grandmother had contacted the authorities on numerous occasions about the treatment of this poor child. but because the mother was savvy enough, those social workers failed to see what was happening.
It's all very sad but the people to be blamed are those who inflicted all those injuries that led to his death.
quote:Originally posted by Suzi-Q:
It's all very sad but the people to be blamed are those who inflicted all those injuries that led to his death.
quote:Originally posted by Blizzie:quote:Originally posted by Suzi-Q:
It's all very sad but the people to be blamed are those who inflicted all those injuries that led to his death.
True, but that won't prevent it happening again.
