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Originally posted by Mount Olympus:
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Originally posted by squiggle:
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Originally posted by Skylark24:
Freddie played the victim as he cottoned on it kept him for 5 evictions, Bea showed us the real Freddie, he is certainly no victim, I am finding him at the moment rather unpleasant


You are entitled to your opinion Skylark24. I too have seen the real Freddie and he is the most supportive, gentlest person in there. A little naive certainly and makes mistakes (don't we all) but if I had to pick anyone in there to be a friend of mine I would pick Freddie and count myself lucky to have a friend like that. He was supportive of Siavash, Marcus and in fact most of them from time to time but people have short memories and would sooner heap all the blame at his doorstep than remember the shortcomings of their particular chosen favourite. He even supported Lisa (who openly hated him from the moment she saw him and did her level best to kick him out) during the eating of the horrible food task but funnily enough not one person on this forum other than me seems to have mentioned that.
His actions, his mind, his fallout.. .

I am wondering how people can support a HM so vociferously, in a lot of cases extremely blind to some of his faults and blame the latest turn of events not on said HM but on another HM influencing said HM..

I seem to recall that Freddie decided to go on the attack and expose the people he saw as wolves ansd sheep and all other animals in there a LONG time ago.. (with Marcus as his sidekick)... by exposing them he then puts them up for scrutiny by the other HM's. . for scrutiny read potenial nominees.. ie he plotted and schemed to get his enemies up and as we saw revelled in glee when the final one, Lisa, went up last week..

ie THAT was HIS game plan.. no harm in a game plan in a game..

What I am fed up of tho is of him being sold to us by some supporters as some poor social dimwit who can't make a decision if his lower brain is doing the making .. and tis almost an 'awwww pity him the poor guy' call to arms..

He's a twonk.. they are all twonks in there, they are on the chaviest gamesshow in the land fgs.. Laugh . .

Freddie has no more a moral high ground to sit on than any of them in there.. Razzer


And the church screams "AMEN" Clapping
prettycocoaeyes
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Originally posted by squiggle:

Your opinion, with which I disagree. No-one,for all their going on about Freddie's game plan, has ever been able to show what Freddie's game plan IS. Lisa's was quite obvious, get everyone except her gang out first and then (reluctantly) start on her own people. Charlie is aiming to be a lovable Geordie lad, Bea is to target absolutely everyone. What exactly is Freddie's game plan supposed to be ?
I appreciate you disagree with my opionion as I do yours.

I just have one question to ask you... did you see, in the early weeks, Freddie in the DR telling BB [after surviving the second eviction night] he was now going to stir things up a bit and expose the wolves whilst rubbing his hands in glee..?

what was that then if it wasn't a game plan to benefit himself?

Again I say, nowt wrong with a game plan . . it's a game show... what I do find wrong is denials of game plans Razzer
Mount Olympus *Olly*
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Originally posted by squiggle:
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Originally posted by Mount Olympus:
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Originally posted by tupps:
Ohhh Freddie so has a gameplan. He's bliddy obsessed with 'gameplans'.
Nod

His game plan is to suss out all the other game plans and get rid of all with a game plan.. whilst denying he has a game plan at all Big Grin


Thought so! Zilch Big Grin
Look up Razzer
Mount Olympus *Olly*
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Originally posted by Baz:
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Originally posted by Mount Olympus:
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Originally posted by tupps:
Ohhh Freddie so has a gameplan. He's bliddy obsessed with 'gameplans'.
Nod

His game plan is to suss out all the other game plans and get rid of all with a game plan.. whilst denying he has a game plan at all Big Grin


Exactly..... *I think* Laugh
I knew what I meant.. kinda... Ninja
Mount Olympus *Olly*
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Originally posted by squiggle:
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Originally posted by tupps:
Ohhh Freddie so has a gameplan. He's bliddy obsessed with 'gameplans'.


And what do you think Freddie's gameplan is?


It's the same as all the others. Suss out the competition and hopefully win.

Just because he does it under the guise of 'understanding' people doesn't mean he isn't doing the very same thing they all are. His protracted chats about the motivations of people, their actions, their 'gameplans' is not some Oxford Union lecture.. it's talking about people, casting seeds, playing to an audience the audience etc. It's the same thing they all do.. throwing in a few stock psychobabble, 'intellectual' phrases doesn't make it any less effective or any less obvious.
tupps
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Originally posted by Mount Olympus:
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Originally posted by squiggle:

Your opinion, with which I disagree. No-one,for all their going on about Freddie's game plan, has ever been able to show what Freddie's game plan IS. Lisa's was quite obvious, get everyone except her gang out first and then (reluctantly) start on her own people. Charlie is aiming to be a lovable Geordie lad, Bea is to target absolutely everyone. What exactly is Freddie's game plan supposed to be ?
I appreciate you disagree with my opionion as I do yours.

I just have one question to ask you... did you see, in the early weeks, Freddie in the DR telling BB [after surviving the second eviction night] he was now going to stir things up a bit and expose the wolves whilst rubbing his hands in glee..?

what was that then if it wasn't a game plan to benefit himself?

Again I say, nowt wrong with a game plan . . it's a game show... what I do find wrong is denials of game plans Razzer


Let me pose a question to you Mount Olympus (and yes I do appreciate that we each have a completely separate opinion and this is a friendly forum so I hope to chat to you another time when we are not on different sides of a chasm Big Grin) If you had been targeted when you entered the BB house and to your surprise had managed to survive 5 weeks, would you then be likely to think about regrouping a little and possibly even giving those who had targeted you a taste of their own medicine?
squiggle
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Originally posted by Mount Olympus:
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Originally posted by tupps:
Ohhh Freddie so has a gameplan. He's bliddy obsessed with 'gameplans'.
Nod

His game plan is to suss out all the other game plans and get rid of all with a game plan.. whilst denying he has a game plan at all Big Grin
trying saying that when your drunk lol
FM
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Originally posted by Mount Olympus:
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Originally posted by Baz:
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Originally posted by Mount Olympus:
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Originally posted by tupps:
Ohhh Freddie so has a gameplan. He's bliddy obsessed with 'gameplans'.
Nod

His game plan is to suss out all the other game plans and get rid of all with a game plan.. whilst denying he has a game plan at all Big Grin


Exactly..... *I think* Laugh
I knew what I meant.. kinda... Ninja

Laugh Laugh It was Ok... with a bit lateral thinking..... Big Grin Hug
Baz
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Originally posted by Mount Olympus:
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Originally posted by squiggle:
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Originally posted by Skylark24:
Freddie played the victim as he cottoned on it kept him for 5 evictions, Bea showed us the real Freddie, he is certainly no victim, I am finding him at the moment rather unpleasant


You are entitled to your opinion Skylark24. I too have seen the real Freddie and he is the most supportive, gentlest person in there. A little naive certainly and makes mistakes (don't we all) but if I had to pick anyone in there to be a friend of mine I would pick Freddie and count myself lucky to have a friend like that. He was supportive of Siavash, Marcus and in fact most of them from time to time but people have short memories and would sooner heap all the blame at his doorstep than remember the shortcomings of their particular chosen favourite. He even supported Lisa (who openly hated him from the moment she saw him and did her level best to kick him out) during the eating of the horrible food task but funnily enough not one person on this forum other than me seems to have mentioned that.
His actions, his mind, his fallout.. .

I am wondering how people can support a HM so vociferously, in a lot of cases extremely blind to some of his faults and blame the latest turn of events not on said HM but on another HM influencing said HM..

I seem to recall that Freddie decided to go on the attack and expose the people he saw as wolves ansd sheep and all other animals in there a LONG time ago.. (with Marcus as his sidekick)... by exposing them he then puts them up for scrutiny by the other HM's. . for scrutiny read potenial nominees.. ie he plotted and schemed to get his enemies up and as we saw revelled in glee when the final one, Lisa, went up last week..

ie THAT was HIS game plan.. no harm in a game plan in a game..

What I am fed up of tho is of him being sold to us by some supporters as some poor social dimwit who can't make a decision if his lower brain is doing the making .. and tis almost an 'awwww pity him the poor guy' call to arms..

He's a twonk.. they are all twonks in there, they are on the chaviest gamesshow in the land fgs.. Laugh . .

Freddie has no more a moral high ground to sit on than any of them in there.. Razzer


Now I'm scared! Olly... I actually agree with you this year!... 100%!!! Eeker
Dirtyprettygirlthing
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Originally posted by tupps:
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Originally posted by squiggle:
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Originally posted by tupps:
Ohhh Freddie so has a gameplan. He's bliddy obsessed with 'gameplans'.


And what do you think Freddie's gameplan is?


It's the same as all the others. Suss out the competition and hopefully win.

Just because he does it under the guise of 'understanding' people doesn't mean he isn't doing the very same thing they all are. His protracted chats about the motivations of people, their actions, their 'gameplans' is not some Oxford Union lecture.. it's talking about people, casting seeds, playing to an audience the audience etc. It's the same thing they all do.. throwing in a few stock psychobabble, 'intellectual' phrases doesn't make it any less effective or any less obvious.


Actually I think if you were a friend of Freddie I think you would find that his method of dealing with things by talking them to death is just the way he is.
squiggle
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Originally posted by tupps:


It's the same as all the others. Suss out the competition and hopefully win.

Just because he does it under the guise of 'understanding' people doesn't mean he isn't doing the very same thing they all are. His protracted chats about the motivations of people, their actions, their 'gameplans' is not some Oxford Union lecture.. it's talking about people, casting seeds, playing to an audience the audience etc. It's the same thing they all do.. throwing in a few stock psychobabble, 'intellectual' phrases doesn't make it any less effective or any less obvious.
zactly.. . Nod just said the same over the page.. but in a more waffley and less succinct fashion.. we are agreeing a lot on this Big Grin


oh bluddy eck jhust realised I am a bus stop crew not a soft seat crew in my verbal usages Red Face
Mount Olympus *Olly*
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Originally posted by tupps:
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Originally posted by squiggle:
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Originally posted by tupps:
Ohhh Freddie so has a gameplan. He's bliddy obsessed with 'gameplans'.


And what do you think Freddie's gameplan is?


It's the same as all the others. Suss out the competition and hopefully win.

Just because he does it under the guise of 'understanding' people doesn't mean he isn't doing the very same thing they all are. His protracted chats about the motivations of people, their actions, their 'gameplans' is not some Oxford Union lecture.. it's talking about people, casting seeds, playing to an audience the audience etc. It's the same thing they all do.. throwing in a few stock psychobabble, 'intellectual' phrases doesn't make it any less effective or any less obvious.


I agree Tupps. He may do it more intelligently than say Lisa, but he is still playing to the camera, and trying to influence what other HM's and we, the GBP, think. And he was doing that long before Bea came into the house.
Baz
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Originally posted by Mount Olympus:
I shoudl add that Freddie being the 'intellectual' he is, he should also by default then know that by voicing his opinions out loud about HM's to an audience could potentially influence said audience..

Him and his cronies sitting at the soft seats in the lving area talking about the others is no different to the others sitting at the bus stop voicing their opinions of a HM and potentially influencung whomeever is around to hear.

the Only difference is the level of verbal intelligence used in both groups voicing said opinions. .the outcome is still the same. .they are all bitching about each other Laugh

Freddie is not as clever as he thinks he is, Bea was right, he accuses others of doing the very same thing as he was doing all along Wink ..


oh s**t... and again!!!! Eeker
Big Grin
Dirtyprettygirlthing
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Originally posted by squiggle:
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Originally posted by tupps:
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Originally posted by squiggle:
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Originally posted by tupps:
Ohhh Freddie so has a gameplan. He's bliddy obsessed with 'gameplans'.


And what do you think Freddie's gameplan is?


It's the same as all the others. Suss out the competition and hopefully win.

Just because he does it under the guise of 'understanding' people doesn't mean he isn't doing the very same thing they all are. His protracted chats about the motivations of people, their actions, their 'gameplans' is not some Oxford Union lecture.. it's talking about people, casting seeds, playing to an audience the audience etc. It's the same thing they all do.. throwing in a few stock psychobabble, 'intellectual' phrases doesn't make it any less effective or any less obvious.


Actually I think if you were a friend of Freddie I think you would find that his method of dealing with things by talking them to death is just the way he is.


You know.. if that is just the way he is that's absolutely fine. I have no problem with someone playing the game. I just find it quite amusing that some people think he has no gameplan when he quite clearly has and that he doesn't do exactly what the others do, because he quite clearly does. If gameplans are of no concern to Freddie then why, I would ask, is he probably the most preoccupied with them. It's not about understanding when it becomes an obsession.
tupps
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Originally posted by squiggle:


Let me pose a question to you Mount Olympus (and yes I do appreciate that we each have a completely separate opinion and this is a friendly forum so I hope to chat to you another time when we are not on different sides of a chasm Big Grin) If you had been targeted when you entered the BB house and to your surprise had managed to survive 5 weeks, would you then be likely to think about regrouping a little and possibly even giving those who had targeted you a taste of their own medicine?
I can't deny that is what he has been doing nor his reasons for doing it, I can't say what I would do until I was in the same situation, [i doubt I'd go about it the same childish way he has been of late]

I'd would point out tho he also started taking action long before the fifth eviction night. . I don't blame him either.. but it was a conscious decision he made.. a plan of action.. it is a game, ergo he made a Game Plan no? Razzer

oh and call me Olly, it's a lot easier Big Grin
Mount Olympus *Olly*
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Originally posted by Mount Olympus:
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Originally posted by squiggle:


Let me pose a question to you Mount Olympus (and yes I do appreciate that we each have a completely separate opinion and this is a friendly forum so I hope to chat to you another time when we are not on different sides of a chasm Big Grin) If you had been targeted when you entered the BB house and to your surprise had managed to survive 5 weeks, would you then be likely to think about regrouping a little and possibly even giving those who had targeted you a taste of their own medicine?
I can't deny that is what he has been doing, I can't say what I would do until int he same situation, I'd potin out he also started taking action long before the fifth eviction night. . I don't blame him either.. but it was a conscious decision he made.. a plan of action.. it is a game, ergo he made a Game Plan no? Razzer

oh and call me Olly, it's a lot easier Big Grin


No Olly I don't think he made a game plan and I don't think he has one now. He reacted to being targeted by trying to fight back. Of course I realise that he should have just let Lisa roll all over him and that would have pleased everybody on this forum, or would it?
squiggle
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Originally posted by Dirtyprettygirlthing:


Now I'm scared! Olly... I actually agree with you this year!... 100%!!! Eeker
I knew you'd come out from the dark side eventually.. you just can't help being a sucker for a seccsy (questionable) voice Razzer

oh and just in case people are wondering. .I am not supporting any of the HM's at all. . I just like to point and laugh at ALL of them Laugh
Mount Olympus *Olly*
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Originally posted by squiggle:

No Olly I don't think he made a game plan and I don't think he has one now. He reacted to being targeted by trying to fight back. Of course I realise that he should have just let Lisa roll all over him and that would have pleased everybody on this forum, or would it?


I am not stalking you honestly Glance I agree with you squiggle.

Also, I don't think it matters what Freddy says or does, he is doomed either way with alot of folk. Even when he is in the right, he is in the wrong Disappointed
Liverpoollass
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Originally posted by Mount Olympus:
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Originally posted by Dirtyprettygirlthing:


Now I'm scared! Olly... I actually agree with you this year!... 100%!!! Eeker
I knew you'd come out from the dark side eventually.. you just can't help being a sucker for a seccsy (questionable) voice Razzer

oh and just in case people are wondering. .I am not supporting any of the HM's at all. . I just like to point and laugh at ALL of them Laugh


Laugh

And I have said numerous times to daughter this year.. "I hate them all.... I have turned into Olly!"

So... is it LUTing that does it then?

Hmmmm... prob not... cos I still think Rex is phwoar! Razzer
Dirtyprettygirlthing
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Originally posted by squiggle:

No Olly I don't think he made a game plan and I don't think he has one now. He reacted to being targeted by trying to fight back. Of course I realise that he should have just let Lisa roll all over him and that would have pleased everybody on this forum, or would it?
not at all.. Shake Head

he decided to fight back and made his own plan, which he later shared with Marcus, about how he was going to fight back.. the Shepherd, Sheep and Wovles exposÃĐ


If Freddie is a clever bod he would surely have researched something about the show he was asked to go on, even tho he'd not seen much of it before.. [from the horses mouth on LF] he must have known it was a popularity type game, in fact I have heard him use those very words..

so, in order to be popular if things seem to be going against you on that front, as it was because he found him self being put up every week, he had to find a way to fight back and gain popularity again which is what he did.. He made a plan and played the Game..

GAME PLAN Razzer
Mount Olympus *Olly*
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Originally posted by disley21:
Getting back to the original point, everybody had the chance to get rid of Lisa last week, but some chose to ignore that chance because of ridiculous reasons.

Well folks, you reap what you sow...


I don't think they thought that by their actions, everyone would be put up for eviction and that it would be a vote to save.
Liverpoollass
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Originally posted by Dirtyprettygirlthing:
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Originally posted by Mount Olympus:
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Originally posted by Dirtyprettygirlthing:


Now I'm scared! Olly... I actually agree with you this year!... 100%!!! Eeker
I knew you'd come out from the dark side eventually.. you just can't help being a sucker for a seccsy (questionable) voice Razzer

oh and just in case people are wondering. .I am not supporting any of the HM's at all. . I just like to point and laugh at ALL of them Laugh


Laugh

And I have said numerous times to daughter this year.. "I hate them all.... I have turned into Olly!"

So... is it LUTing that does it then?

Hmmmm... prob not... cos I still think Rex is phwoar! Razzer
hahaha I definitely never had a favourite HM once I started LUTTing... somehow you see them even more so and much better when concentrating to get all the facts down.. Big Grin

I would go for a drink and a banter with Rex.. we'd probably have a good laugh.. and if he tried the bossing of woman thing on me he'd soon get short shrift.. but if I had a daughter I'd never let her within a mile of that relationship control freak Razzer
Mount Olympus *Olly*
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Originally posted by Mount Olympus:
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Originally posted by Dirtyprettygirlthing:
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Originally posted by Mount Olympus:
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Originally posted by Dirtyprettygirlthing:


Now I'm scared! Olly... I actually agree with you this year!... 100%!!! Eeker
I knew you'd come out from the dark side eventually.. you just can't help being a sucker for a seccsy (questionable) voice Razzer

oh and just in case people are wondering. .I am not supporting any of the HM's at all. . I just like to point and laugh at ALL of them Laugh


Laugh

And I have said numerous times to daughter this year.. "I hate them all.... I have turned into Olly!"

So... is it LUTing that does it then?

Hmmmm... prob not... cos I still think Rex is phwoar! Razzer
hahaha I definitely never had a favourite HM once I started LUTTing... somehow you see them even more so and much better when concentrating to get all the facts down.. Big Grin

I would go for a drink and a banter with Rex.. we'd probably have a good laugh.. and if he tried the bossing of woman thing on me he'd soon get short shrift.. but if I had a daughter I'd never let her within a mile of that relationship control freak Razzer


That's fair enough!

I have to say... its a lot more comfortable sitting on the same side of the fence (well... kinda away from the fence and right down the street really) as you. Big Grin

BTW your avatar is really scary! Razzer
Dirtyprettygirlthing
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Originally posted by Jingo:
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Originally posted by disley21:
Getting back to the original point, everybody had the chance to get rid of Lisa last week, but some chose to ignore that chance because of ridiculous reasons.

Well folks, you reap what you sow...


We didn't have the chance to get rid, we had the chance to save. A totally different beast. Shake Head


Yes, which means people actually voted to save Lisa...
disley21
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Originally posted by disley21:
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Originally posted by Jingo:
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Originally posted by disley21:
Getting back to the original point, everybody had the chance to get rid of Lisa last week, but some chose to ignore that chance because of ridiculous reasons.

Well folks, you reap what you sow...


We didn't have the chance to get rid, we had the chance to save. A totally different beast. Shake Head


Yes, which means people actually voted to save Lisa...


What was really horrible disley was that they weren't voting because they like Lisa but just to spite another HM, Freddie.
squiggle
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Originally posted by Liverpoollass:
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Originally posted by Mount Olympus:
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Originally posted by Liverpoollass:
Everyone has a game plan when they go into the house. Some admit to it, others don't.
and not all supporters admit to it either Laugh


Not sure what you mean by that? Supporters have game plans? Confused
No I meant supporters don't always admit to their fav HM having gameplans.. like HM's don't admit to it. Wink

I have overdone my posting time and am getting tired so brain turning to mush a bit now.. Red Face

I have enjoyed this little debate tho ..it's been a while since I have bothered getting down and all BB like Big Grin

need to go rest my head and eyes now tho. . it's been fun Wave
Mount Olympus *Olly*
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Originally posted by disley21:
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Originally posted by Jingo:
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Originally posted by disley21:
Getting back to the original point, everybody had the chance to get rid of Lisa last week, but some chose to ignore that chance because of ridiculous reasons.

Well folks, you reap what you sow...


We didn't have the chance to get rid, we had the chance to save. A totally different beast. Shake Head


Yes, which means people actually voted to save Lisa...


Yes but they chose to save her, so will be glad to reap surely? Big Grin

Sorry, I'm being pedantic. I'll shut up now. Blush Laugh
Jingo
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Originally posted by Mount Olympus:
No I meant supporters don't always admit to their fav HM having gameplans.. like HM's don't admit to it. Wink

I have overdone my posting time and am getting tired so brain turning to mush a bit now.. Red Face

I have enjoyed this little debate tho ..it's been a while since I have bothered getting down and BB like Big Grin

need to go rest my head and eyes now tho. . it's been fun Wave


Ahhh see what you mean Big Grin

See ya later wavey
Liverpoollass
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Originally posted by Dirtyprettygirlthing:

That's fair enough!

I have to say... its a lot more comfortable sitting on the same side of the fence (well... kinda away from the fence and right down the street really) as you. Big Grin

BTW your avatar is really scary! Razzer
blimey am I that scary? Eeker I am a pussy cat really Laugh

and that Av is a pic of me Ninja ooooh maybe I AM scary.. Big Grin
Mount Olympus *Olly*

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