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Originally posted by Mount Olympus:

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Originally posted by tupps:
Ohhh Freddie so has a gameplan. He's bliddy obsessed with 'gameplans'.

His game plan is to suss out all the other game plans and get rid of all with a game plan.. whilst denying he has a game plan at all

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Originally posted by Mount Olympus:

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Originally posted by squiggle:

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Originally posted by Skylark24:
Freddie played the victim as he cottoned on it kept him for 5 evictions, Bea showed us the real Freddie, he is certainly no victim, I am finding him at the moment rather unpleasant

You are entitled to your opinion Skylark24. I too have seen the real Freddie and he is the most supportive, gentlest person in there. A little naive certainly and makes mistakes (don't we all) but if I had to pick anyone in there to be a friend of mine I would pick Freddie and count myself lucky to have a friend like that. He was supportive of Siavash, Marcus and in fact most of them from time to time but people have short memories and would sooner heap all the blame at his doorstep than remember the shortcomings of their particular chosen favourite. He even supported Lisa (who openly hated him from the moment she saw him and did her level best to kick him out) during the eating of the horrible food task but funnily enough not one person on this forum other than me seems to have mentioned that.

His actions, his mind, his fallout.. .

I am wondering how people can support a HM so vociferously, in a lot of cases extremely blind to some of his faults and blame the latest turn of events not on said HM but on another HM influencing said HM..

I seem to recall that Freddie decided to go on the attack and expose the people he saw as wolves ansd sheep and all other animals in there a LONG time ago.. (with Marcus as his sidekick)... by exposing them he then puts them up for scrutiny by the other HM's. . for scrutiny read potenial nominees.. ie he plotted and schemed to get his enemies up and as we saw revelled in glee when the final one, Lisa, went up last week..

ie THAT was HIS game plan.. no harm in a game plan in a game..

What I am fed up of tho is of him being sold to us by some supporters as some poor social dimwit who can't make a decision if his lower brain is doing the making .. and tis almost an 'awwww pity him the poor guy' call to arms..

He's a twonk.. they are all twonks in there, they are on the chaviest gamesshow in the land fgs.. . .

Freddie has no more a moral high ground to sit on than any of them in there..

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Originally posted by Liverpoollass:
Oh without a doubt. Also, if Bea thinks she has been 100% accepted by Cruel and the Gang (sorry but I love that title ), then she needs to watch her back.

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Originally posted by squiggle:

Your opinion, with which I disagree. No-one,for all their going on about Freddie's game plan, has ever been able to show what Freddie's game plan IS. Lisa's was quite obvious, get everyone except her gang out first and then (reluctantly) start on her own people. Charlie is aiming to be a lovable Geordie lad, Bea is to target absolutely everyone. What exactly is Freddie's game plan supposed to be ?

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Originally posted by squiggle:

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Originally posted by Mount Olympus:

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Originally posted by tupps:
Ohhh Freddie so has a gameplan. He's bliddy obsessed with 'gameplans'.

His game plan is to suss out all the other game plans and get rid of all with a game plan.. whilst denying he has a game plan at all

Thought so! Zilch

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Originally posted by Baz:

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Originally posted by Mount Olympus:

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Originally posted by tupps:
Ohhh Freddie so has a gameplan. He's bliddy obsessed with 'gameplans'.

His game plan is to suss out all the other game plans and get rid of all with a game plan.. whilst denying he has a game plan at all

Exactly..... *I think*

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Originally posted by squiggle:

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Originally posted by tupps:
Ohhh Freddie so has a gameplan. He's bliddy obsessed with 'gameplans'.

And what do you think Freddie's gameplan is?

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Originally posted by Mount Olympus:

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Originally posted by squiggle:

Your opinion, with which I disagree. No-one,for all their going on about Freddie's game plan, has ever been able to show what Freddie's game plan IS. Lisa's was quite obvious, get everyone except her gang out first and then (reluctantly) start on her own people. Charlie is aiming to be a lovable Geordie lad, Bea is to target absolutely everyone. What exactly is Freddie's game plan supposed to be ?

I appreciate you disagree with my opionion as I do yours.

I just have one question to ask you... did you see, in the early weeks, Freddie in the DR telling BB [after surviving the second eviction night] he was now going to stir things up a bit and expose the wolves whilst rubbing his hands in glee..?

what was that then if it wasn't a game plan to benefit himself?

Again I say, nowt wrong with a game plan . . it's a game show... what I do find wrong is denials of game plans

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Originally posted by Mount Olympus:

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Originally posted by tupps:
Ohhh Freddie so has a gameplan. He's bliddy obsessed with 'gameplans'.

His game plan is to suss out all the other game plans and get rid of all with a game plan.. whilst denying he has a game plan at all

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Originally posted by Mount Olympus:

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Originally posted by Baz:

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Originally posted by Mount Olympus:

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Originally posted by tupps:
Ohhh Freddie so has a gameplan. He's bliddy obsessed with 'gameplans'.

His game plan is to suss out all the other game plans and get rid of all with a game plan.. whilst denying he has a game plan at all

Exactly..... *I think*

I knew what I meant.. kinda...

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Originally posted by Mount Olympus:

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Originally posted by squiggle:

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Originally posted by Skylark24:
Freddie played the victim as he cottoned on it kept him for 5 evictions, Bea showed us the real Freddie, he is certainly no victim, I am finding him at the moment rather unpleasant

You are entitled to your opinion Skylark24. I too have seen the real Freddie and he is the most supportive, gentlest person in there. A little naive certainly and makes mistakes (don't we all) but if I had to pick anyone in there to be a friend of mine I would pick Freddie and count myself lucky to have a friend like that. He was supportive of Siavash, Marcus and in fact most of them from time to time but people have short memories and would sooner heap all the blame at his doorstep than remember the shortcomings of their particular chosen favourite. He even supported Lisa (who openly hated him from the moment she saw him and did her level best to kick him out) during the eating of the horrible food task but funnily enough not one person on this forum other than me seems to have mentioned that.

His actions, his mind, his fallout.. .

I am wondering how people can support a HM so vociferously, in a lot of cases extremely blind to some of his faults and blame the latest turn of events not on said HM but on another HM influencing said HM..

I seem to recall that Freddie decided to go on the attack and expose the people he saw as wolves ansd sheep and all other animals in there a LONG time ago.. (with Marcus as his sidekick)... by exposing them he then puts them up for scrutiny by the other HM's. . for scrutiny read potenial nominees.. ie he plotted and schemed to get his enemies up and as we saw revelled in glee when the final one, Lisa, went up last week..

ie THAT was HIS game plan.. no harm in a game plan in a game..

What I am fed up of tho is of him being sold to us by some supporters as some poor social dimwit who can't make a decision if his lower brain is doing the making .. and tis almost an 'awwww pity him the poor guy' call to arms..

He's a twonk.. they are all twonks in there, they are on the chaviest gamesshow in the land fgs.. . .

Freddie has no more a moral high ground to sit on than any of them in there..

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Originally posted by tupps:

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Originally posted by squiggle:

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Originally posted by tupps:
Ohhh Freddie so has a gameplan. He's bliddy obsessed with 'gameplans'.

And what do you think Freddie's gameplan is?

It's the same as all the others. Suss out the competition and hopefully win.

Just because he does it under the guise of 'understanding' people doesn't mean he isn't doing the very same thing they all are. His protracted chats about the motivations of people, their actions, their 'gameplans' is not some Oxford Union lecture.. it's talking about people, casting seeds, playing to an audience the audience etc. It's the same thing they all do.. throwing in a few stock psychobabble, 'intellectual' phrases doesn't make it any less effective or any less obvious.

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Originally posted by tupps:


It's the same as all the others. Suss out the competition and hopefully win.

Just because he does it under the guise of 'understanding' people doesn't mean he isn't doing the very same thing they all are. His protracted chats about the motivations of people, their actions, their 'gameplans' is not some Oxford Union lecture.. it's talking about people, casting seeds, playing to an audience the audience etc. It's the same thing they all do.. throwing in a few stock psychobabble, 'intellectual' phrases doesn't make it any less effective or any less obvious.

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Originally posted by tupps:

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Originally posted by squiggle:

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Originally posted by tupps:
Ohhh Freddie so has a gameplan. He's bliddy obsessed with 'gameplans'.

And what do you think Freddie's gameplan is?

It's the same as all the others. Suss out the competition and hopefully win.

Just because he does it under the guise of 'understanding' people doesn't mean he isn't doing the very same thing they all are. His protracted chats about the motivations of people, their actions, their 'gameplans' is not some Oxford Union lecture.. it's talking about people, casting seeds, playing to an audience the audience etc. It's the same thing they all do.. throwing in a few stock psychobabble, 'intellectual' phrases doesn't make it any less effective or any less obvious.

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Originally posted by Mount Olympus:
I shoudl add that Freddie being the 'intellectual' he is, he should also by default then know that by voicing his opinions out loud about HM's to an audience could potentially influence said audience..

Him and his cronies sitting at the soft seats in the lving area talking about the others is no different to the others sitting at the bus stop voicing their opinions of a HM and potentially influencung whomeever is around to hear.

the Only difference is the level of verbal intelligence used in both groups voicing said opinions. .the outcome is still the same. .they are all bitching about each other

Freddie is not as clever as he thinks he is, Bea was right, he accuses others of doing the very same thing as he was doing all along ..

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Originally posted by squiggle:

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Originally posted by tupps:

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Originally posted by squiggle:

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Originally posted by tupps:
Ohhh Freddie so has a gameplan. He's bliddy obsessed with 'gameplans'.

And what do you think Freddie's gameplan is?

It's the same as all the others. Suss out the competition and hopefully win.

Just because he does it under the guise of 'understanding' people doesn't mean he isn't doing the very same thing they all are. His protracted chats about the motivations of people, their actions, their 'gameplans' is not some Oxford Union lecture.. it's talking about people, casting seeds, playing to an audience the audience etc. It's the same thing they all do.. throwing in a few stock psychobabble, 'intellectual' phrases doesn't make it any less effective or any less obvious.

Actually I think if you were a friend of Freddie I think you would find that his method of dealing with things by talking them to death is just the way he is.

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Originally posted by squiggle:


Let me pose a question to you Mount Olympus (and yes I do appreciate that we each have a completely separate opinion and this is a friendly forum so I hope to chat to you another time when we are not on different sides of a chasm ) If you had been targeted when you entered the BB house and to your surprise had managed to survive 5 weeks, would you then be likely to think about regrouping a little and possibly even giving those who had targeted you a taste of their own medicine?

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Originally posted by Mount Olympus:

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Originally posted by squiggle:


Let me pose a question to you Mount Olympus (and yes I do appreciate that we each have a completely separate opinion and this is a friendly forum so I hope to chat to you another time when we are not on different sides of a chasm ) If you had been targeted when you entered the BB house and to your surprise had managed to survive 5 weeks, would you then be likely to think about regrouping a little and possibly even giving those who had targeted you a taste of their own medicine?

I can't deny that is what he has been doing, I can't say what I would do until int he same situation, I'd potin out he also started taking action long before the fifth eviction night. . I don't blame him either.. but it was a conscious decision he made.. a plan of action.. it is a game, ergo he made a Game Plan no?

oh and call me Olly, it's a lot easier

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Originally posted by Dirtyprettygirlthing:


Now I'm scared! Olly... I actually agree with you this year!... 100%!!!

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Originally posted by squiggle:

No Olly I don't think he made a game plan and I don't think he has one now. He reacted to being targeted by trying to fight back. Of course I realise that he should have just let Lisa roll all over him and that would have pleased everybody on this forum, or would it?

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Originally posted by Mount Olympus:

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Originally posted by Dirtyprettygirlthing:


Now I'm scared! Olly... I actually agree with you this year!... 100%!!!

I knew you'd come out from the dark side eventually.. you just can't help being a sucker for a seccsy (questionable) voice

oh and just in case people are wondering. .I am not supporting any of the HM's at all. . I just like to point and laugh at ALL of them

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Originally posted by squiggle:

No Olly I don't think he made a game plan and I don't think he has one now. He reacted to being targeted by trying to fight back. Of course I realise that he should have just let Lisa roll all over him and that would have pleased everybody on this forum, or would it?

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Originally posted by disley21:
Getting back to the original point, everybody had the chance to get rid of Lisa last week, but some chose to ignore that chance because of ridiculous reasons.

Well folks, you reap what you sow...

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Originally posted by disley21:
Getting back to the original point, everybody had the chance to get rid of Lisa last week, but some chose to ignore that chance because of ridiculous reasons.

Well folks, you reap what you sow...

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Originally posted by Dirtyprettygirlthing:

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Originally posted by Mount Olympus:

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Originally posted by Dirtyprettygirlthing:


Now I'm scared! Olly... I actually agree with you this year!... 100%!!!

I knew you'd come out from the dark side eventually.. you just can't help being a sucker for a seccsy (questionable) voice

oh and just in case people are wondering. .I am not supporting any of the HM's at all. . I just like to point and laugh at ALL of them

And I have said numerous times to daughter this year.. "I hate them all.... I have turned into Olly!"

So... is it LUTing that does it then?

Hmmmm... prob not... cos I still think Rex is phwoar!

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Originally posted by disley21:
Getting back to the original point, everybody had the chance to get rid of Lisa last week, but some chose to ignore that chance because of ridiculous reasons.

Well folks, you reap what you sow...

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Originally posted by disley21:
Getting back to the original point, everybody had the chance to get rid of Lisa last week, but some chose to ignore that chance because of ridiculous reasons.

Well folks, you reap what you sow...

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Originally posted by Liverpoollass:
Everyone has a game plan when they go into the house. Some admit to it, others don't.

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Originally posted by Mount Olympus:

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Originally posted by Liverpoollass:
Everyone has a game plan when they go into the house. Some admit to it, others don't.

and not all supporters admit to it either

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Originally posted by Mount Olympus:

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Originally posted by Dirtyprettygirlthing:

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Originally posted by Mount Olympus:

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Originally posted by Dirtyprettygirlthing:


Now I'm scared! Olly... I actually agree with you this year!... 100%!!!

I knew you'd come out from the dark side eventually.. you just can't help being a sucker for a seccsy (questionable) voice

oh and just in case people are wondering. .I am not supporting any of the HM's at all. . I just like to point and laugh at ALL of them

And I have said numerous times to daughter this year.. "I hate them all.... I have turned into Olly!"

So... is it LUTing that does it then?

Hmmmm... prob not... cos I still think Rex is phwoar!

hahaha I definitely never had a favourite HM once I started LUTTing... somehow you see them even more so and much better when concentrating to get all the facts down..

I would go for a drink and a banter with Rex.. we'd probably have a good laugh.. and if he tried the bossing of woman thing on me he'd soon get short shrift.. but if I had a daughter I'd never let her within a mile of that relationship control freak

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Originally posted by Jingo:

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Originally posted by disley21:
Getting back to the original point, everybody had the chance to get rid of Lisa last week, but some chose to ignore that chance because of ridiculous reasons.

Well folks, you reap what you sow...

We didn't have the chance to get rid, we had the chance to save. A totally different beast.

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Originally posted by disley21:

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Originally posted by Jingo:

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Originally posted by disley21:
Getting back to the original point, everybody had the chance to get rid of Lisa last week, but some chose to ignore that chance because of ridiculous reasons.

Well folks, you reap what you sow...

We didn't have the chance to get rid, we had the chance to save. A totally different beast.

Yes, which means people actually voted to save Lisa...

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Originally posted by Liverpoollass:

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Originally posted by Mount Olympus:

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Originally posted by Liverpoollass:
Everyone has a game plan when they go into the house. Some admit to it, others don't.

and not all supporters admit to it either

Not sure what you mean by that? Supporters have game plans?

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Originally posted by disley21:

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Originally posted by Jingo:

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Originally posted by disley21:
Getting back to the original point, everybody had the chance to get rid of Lisa last week, but some chose to ignore that chance because of ridiculous reasons.

Well folks, you reap what you sow...

We didn't have the chance to get rid, we had the chance to save. A totally different beast.

Yes, which means people actually voted to save Lisa...

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Originally posted by Mount Olympus:
No I meant supporters don't always admit to their fav HM having gameplans.. like HM's don't admit to it.

I have overdone my posting time and am getting tired so brain turning to mush a bit now..

I have enjoyed this little debate tho ..it's been a while since I have bothered getting down and BB like

need to go rest my head and eyes now tho. . it's been fun

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Originally posted by Dirtyprettygirlthing:

That's fair enough!

I have to say... its a lot more comfortable sitting on the same side of the fence (well... kinda away from the fence and right down the street really) as you.

BTW your avatar is really scary!