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Re the child trust fund. yes this is a real serious post.
Please bear with it...

All kids get a ÂĢ250 voucher off the government which is to be invested by the parent in a choice of investment funds. If the parent is on benefits the child gets ÂĢ500!
Parents are invited to add to this account and when the child is 18 they get to spend whatever has accumulated in any way they see fit.

I really don't believe the trust fund idea is fair.

this would be more fair:-

The government spends the money on child care / education / child safety / or invests it and gives an equal share to al kids when they are adults.

why will my child get half of what kids whose parents are currently receiving benefits? - in 18 years time??

why will jonny down the road have more money because his parents chose a different investment? there are no guarantees so there is no right or wrong investment to choose. it is pretty much pot luck in 18 years time which one will be the better option.

Why should my child be comparing a fund which may or may not be topped up with someone down the road who does/doesn't have the means to top it up?

I am wholeheartedly in favour of giving them a start and a helping hand, but surely there are much better and fairer ways to do this.

I wonder how parents feel who have a child who was born just before the trust fund was invented and their sibling who is born after?? the older brother/sister presumably will feel incredibly hard done by when his or her younger sibling(s) receive the book to their account.

It's not that i don't beleive in benefits per se, it is just that the parental circumstances now, bear no relation to what the childs needs will be, when they are adults.

I am dreading the day when my son gets his mitts on the money and perhaps asks me why he has got less that his best friend, in his account.

All I will be able to say is that I will have always given him what I can and that being loved, having good nourishment, creative homelife and lots of good experiences cannot be measured by a bank account. He may well have to get more in other ways than his mates.

Could the money be used in other ways? investing in books or school buildings? investing in sports equipment? Investing in IT equipment? investing in hospitals? investing in childcare places for all? There are loads of impartial ways to invest in our businesses and our kids at the same time.

I agree learning to save (or be wise with the money you have) is important, so educate the children how to. Doesn't getting a hand out at coming of age instill precisely the wrong sort of ethic?

When I was at junior school there was a school bank, run by the older pupils in cahoots with midland bank as it was (I think) before it became tsb before it merged with lloyds. You could come and put your money in, the older kids helped to do the transactions and you got a cheque book and a bank balance and a chance to handle the money yourself. You were encouraged to put small amounts aside. OK, maybe the poorest of kids don't get pocket money, but it sure as hell looks like they do to me. 10p or ÂĢ10, it didnt matter what you put in, it was the principle of it and it was made to be fun. I am not saying this is the solution necessarily, but that is an example of practical saving not being handed some money regardless, on your 16th/18th birthday for which you have had no influence.

Am I being ungrateful on behalf of my child? I don't think so, I have just been thinking about this a lot recently.

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I have just been thinking about this a lot recently.


Gosh Belle - you HAVE been thinking about it a lot.

You raise a lot of good points. I don't know what the answer is tbh.

When my children (and nephews and neices) were born my mum and dad opened a savings account for them and paid in about ÂĢ10 every birthday.

On their 18th birthday they were given the savings book and a newspaper saved from the day they were born.
Rexi
i have duly and dilligently set up the fund using the government voucher for my child. I have chosen medium risk and a mainstream bank, but who knows how it will go?

I will not be adding to it. For all I know he will be a drug addict by the time he is that age and I don't intend anyone to use my hard earned cash for that kind of thing.

What I am doing is setting up a separate account for which I have access so that I can save for his 18th and give him a surprise. maybe a deposit on a house, money for uni, a car, whatever I see as fit for his 18th birthday. so you see I am not really mean, just like the world to be a little fairer if possible.
Belle
i'm on benefits but my 1 year old didn't get ÂĢ500 just the ÂĢ250 Disappointed
and my oldest was born just before trust fund came out...so he doesn't have one Frowner so will be a bit awkward if he ever finds out! can't really afford to make one up for him to the amount his little brother has (or indeed this baby)

when i turned 20, a month after my eldest was born. i got a maturity grant for my birthday for ÂĢ1,200 i was wel chuffed...till my mum and dad (mainly dad) demanded a third of it each back as "they spent all these years saving up for it they should get something back" Angry
Darthhoob
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Originally posted by Darthhoob:
i'm on benefits but my 1 year old didn't get ÂĢ500 just the ÂĢ250 Disappointed


I should have quoted from the governments own website: additional payment

As I say in my post, I am not benefit bashing, I am talking about the relevance of parental circumstances when the child is born to how much the child will get when they come of age.
Belle
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Originally posted by BeerBelle:
i have duly and dilligently set up the fund using the government voucher for my child. I have chosen medium risk and a mainstream bank, but who knows how it will go?

I will not be adding to it. For all I know he will be a drug addict by the time he is that age and I don't intend anyone to use my hard earned cash for that kind of thing.

What I am doing is setting up a separate account for which I have access so that I can save for his 18th and give him a surprise. maybe a deposit on a house, money for uni, a car, whatever I see as fit for his 18th birthday. so you see I am not really mean, just like the world to be a little fairer if possible.


tbh i think that is a better idea. as i know when i was 18 i wouldn't have spent the money sensibly...i'd of pissed it up the wall Laugh and i was quite a mature teen too Disappointed
Darthhoob
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Originally posted by Darthhoob:
quote:
Originally posted by BeerBelle:
i have duly and dilligently set up the fund using the government voucher for my child. I have chosen medium risk and a mainstream bank, but who knows how it will go?

I will not be adding to it. For all I know he will be a drug addict by the time he is that age and I don't intend anyone to use my hard earned cash for that kind of thing.

What I am doing is setting up a separate account for which I have access so that I can save for his 18th and give him a surprise. maybe a deposit on a house, money for uni, a car, whatever I see as fit for his 18th birthday. so you see I am not really mean, just like the world to be a little fairer if possible.


tbh i think that is a better idea. as i know when i was 18 i wouldn't have spent the money sensibly...i'd of pissed it up the wall Laugh and i was quite a mature teen too Disappointed


yeah, me too!
Belle
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Originally posted by BeerBelle:
quote:
Originally posted by Darthhoob:
i'm on benefits but my 1 year old didn't get ÂĢ500 just the ÂĢ250 Disappointed


I should have quoted from the governments own website: additional payment

As I say in my post, I am not benefit bashing, I am talking about the relevance of parental circumstances when the child is born to how much the child will get when they come of age.


oh the blinky wasn't aimed at you for benefit bashing (i dont think you were as i dont think it's fair people on benefits get extra) i was blinking cos i never knew that...they dont tell you anything you're entitled to do they.
Darthhoob
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Originally posted by Darthhoob:
quote:
Originally posted by BeerBelle:
quote:
Originally posted by Darthhoob:
i'm on benefits but my 1 year old didn't get ÂĢ500 just the ÂĢ250 Disappointed


I should have quoted from the governments own website: additional payment

As I say in my post, I am not benefit bashing, I am talking about the relevance of parental circumstances when the child is born to how much the child will get when they come of age.


oh the blinky wasn't aimed at you for benefit bashing (i dont think you were as i dont think it's fair people on benefits get extra) i was blinking cos i never knew that...they dont tell you anything you're entitled to do they.


nope. there's apparently loads of unclaimed benefits sitting in a vault somewhere! None of them apprear to have my name on though unfortunately! ha ha.
Belle
For Beerbelle, Darthhoob and anyone else with children.

Have you checked to see if you are entitled to child tax credits? If you haven't, there is a good chance that you are entitled to some. HM Revenue and Customs deal with this and have a lot of information on their website.

As a starting place to look try
http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/taxcred...bles/get-started.htm

This is a link to an online questionnaire to see if you are likely to qualify
http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/taxcred...ck-questionnaire.htm
El Loro
I found it very difficult to choose where to invest teh voucher. I ended up goin for the government shares option and it's pants. The ÂĢ250 is now down to around ÂĢ140 and they estimate that when my son is 18 he will have around ÂĢ220 Disappointed Great.

My oldest son is 7 so he didn't get the voucher but we have a credit union account for him which we put around ÂĢ10 a month in and any birthday/Christmas money he gets. Also everty year there is a dividend paid into it from the credit union. The growth rate is by far more appealing than the silly trust fund thingy so I wish they had given that option and I would have opened the credit union account for my youngest. SO they will both have money to get on their 18th but my oldest will have a lot more so I will no doubt have to cover the diffence Laugh


(excuse the typos.....I'm a little hungover Eeker)
Ells
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Originally posted by El Loro:
For Beerbelle, Darthhoob and anyone else with children.

Have you checked to see if you are entitled to child tax credits? If you haven't, there is a good chance that you are entitled to some. HM Revenue and Customs deal with this and have a lot of information on their website.

As a starting place to look try
http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/taxcred...bles/get-started.htm

This is a link to an online questionnaire to see if you are likely to qualify
http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/taxcred...ck-questionnaire.htm


aye i get child tax credits Smiler they always give you a leaflet about them too when you have a baby (least in my area).
ty though Smiler
Darthhoob

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