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Originally posted by Free Thinking:
It was shown in a HLs program

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/fo...thread.php?t=1097587

He said to Freddie, Bea and Siavash "I have fags and tea and everything". He never told them to keep quiet about it either it seems. It's not like putting them in his drawer was really a hiding place anyway.

There was another thread on this but I didn't think the thread title was descriptive enough and so some may not have bothered reading it.

Did he tell David and Lisa - the other smokers - that there was another packet of cigarettes?

He was trying to show off to Bea that he had all that stuff hidden away and was then humiliated big time when Bea said she couldn't give a sh!t if he had cigarettes or indeed, if he was "sleeping on a matress made of cigarettes" .

Showing off and trying to impress Bea has backfired on him. The fact he didn't tell Lisa or David he had cigs shows what a controlling knob he is.

sorry but he shouldn't have had them in the first place, if any other HM had of done this there would have been uproar. Selfish to keep the cigs back from them, whether he was going to give them to Bea or not.

I don't see how he was showing off, he was just saying what he had. He has every right to have some just as anyone else does. He can share them out as he wants just like others share them out as they want. Cigarettes are like a currency among the smokers so why should non-smokers be excluded from that and so without influence in that area? It was not part of the personal shopping of any particular HM and therefore was open to all. If anyone had asked for cigarettes from him no doubt he could have helped them out.

If the smokers aren't happy about that then each cigarette should be made part of their personal shopping and not part of the communal shopping list.

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Originally posted by Lord Lucan:
He was trying to show off to Bea that he had all that stuff hidden away and was then humiliated big time when Bea said she couldn't give a sh!t if he had cigarettes or indeed, if he was "sleeping on a matress made of cigarettes" .

Showing off and trying to impress Bea has backfired on him. The fact he didn't tell Lisa or David he had cigs shows what a controlling knob he is.

He's a total numpty. Must say tho, all blame seems to have been taken away from him due to the aftermath. Could talk his way out of anything that one. Couldnt believe it when he said he was gonna go and have a go at Bea and Freddie ... FOR WHAT MARCUS?!

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Originally posted by love greek sunsets:
sorry but he shouldn't have had them in the first place, if any other HM had of done this there would have been uproar. Selfish to keep the cigs back from them, whether he was going to give them to Bea or not.

Precisely!

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Originally posted by Little Miss Spurs:

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Originally posted by Lord Lucan:
He was trying to show off to Bea that he had all that stuff hidden away and was then humiliated big time when Bea said she couldn't give a sh!t if he had cigarettes or indeed, if he was "sleeping on a matress made of cigarettes" .

Showing off and trying to impress Bea has backfired on him. The fact he didn't tell Lisa or David he had cigs shows what a controlling knob he is.

He's a total numpty. Must say tho, all blame seems to have been taken away from him due to the aftermath. Could talk his way out of anything that one. Couldnt believe it when he said he was gonna go and have a go at Bea and Freddie ... FOR WHAT MARCUS?!

Because he had told them he had them but they said he hadn't and that he had kept them secret, which was wrong.

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Originally posted by love greek sunsets:
sorry but he shouldn't have had them in the first place, if any other HM had of done this there would have been uproar. Selfish to keep the cigs back from them, whether he was going to give them to Bea or not.

How was it selfish, he said he wasn't about to smoke them himself? He said he could share them out when needed, just like other people do. He has a right to control cigarette distribution just like anyone else does, it was part of the communal budget. As he said they would just disappear really quickly if they were just left out in the open. If others take them then he has a right to distribute them as well.

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Originally posted by Free Thinking:

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Originally posted by love greek sunsets:
sorry but he shouldn't have had them in the first place, if any other HM had of done this there would have been uproar. Selfish to keep the cigs back from them, whether he was going to give them to Bea or not.

How was it selfish, he said he wasn't about to smoke them himself? He said he could share them out when needed, just like other people do. He has a right to control cigarette distribution just like anyone else does, it was part of the communal budget. As he said they would just disappear really quickly if they were just left out in the open. If others take them then he has a right to distribute them as well.

sorry but its all about control for Marcus

I remember him saying it, that night.

I also remember thinking that no one seemed to react to him having fags. I think Bea was talking as well, at the time, so either they missed what he actually said, or they thought he was joking.

He obviously had forgotten that he'd said it too, otherwise he'd had been even more outraged by their reaction!

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Originally posted by Free Thinking:

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Originally posted by love greek sunsets:
sorry but he shouldn't have had them in the first place, if any other HM had of done this there would have been uproar. Selfish to keep the cigs back from them, whether he was going to give them to Bea or not.

How was it selfish, he said he wasn't about to smoke them himself? He said he could share them out when needed, just like other people do. He has a right to control cigarette distribution just like anyone else does, it was part of the communal budget. As he said they would just disappear really quickly if they were just left out in the open. If others take them then he has a right to distribute them as well.

No. He isn't a smoker so he had no right to take them and keep them. He is not a smoker so he had no right to distribute them to whoever HE FELT LIKE EITHER. He had no right to take them full stop. If something HE needed and HE wanted was taken and hidden and he was told "It was for your own good Marcus cos you always moan you haven't any left", he would've blown an bleedin' gasket!!

He took the cigs and he took them for Bea. His face and his language and aggression when she said she couldn't give a fig he had cigarettes SHOWED that he wanted to impress her .. and failed .. miserably!

If he was planning to give Bea the cigarettes on Monday as “a present” it surely means he is happy for her to have a larger share handed out by BB of the quota provided. The fact that he said he did not trust the other 2 to share them stinks of hypocrisy.

What stinks even worse is how his story changed; were they a present for Bea – or was he looking after them – as he also said, to stop the smokers getting through them too quickly?

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How was it selfish, he said he wasn't about to smoke them himself?

I don’t believe this was ever an issue. However we all saw what great tactical use Marcus made of his token – buying everyone Fish and chips whilst he was up for eviction against Noirin. There would have been nothing stopping him from making tactical use of a packet of cigarettes. It does make me wonder what percentage of the items that he trades with other housemates are items that he has claimed, rather than items that have been allocated to him especially.

there is one thing thats not been pointed uot! in past years the house mate each got a share of the shopping budget to spend on what they wanted ! so smokers bought cigs and tobacco! others bought chocolate etc ! this year it appears that the house mates don't have their own share of the budget ! cigs and tobacco just come out of the communal shopping budget, meaning the belong to every one not just the smokers! why should smokers get more than non smokers ! a point raised a few weeks ago when lisa ate loads and said she she would starve to have gigs in an argument with some of the other house mates! yet nothing changed!

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Originally posted by Lord Lucan:

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Originally posted by Free Thinking:

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Originally posted by love greek sunsets:
sorry but he shouldn't have had them in the first place, if any other HM had of done this there would have been uproar. Selfish to keep the cigs back from them, whether he was going to give them to Bea or not.

How was it selfish, he said he wasn't about to smoke them himself? He said he could share them out when needed, just like other people do. He has a right to control cigarette distribution just like anyone else does, it was part of the communal budget. As he said they would just disappear really quickly if they were just left out in the open. If others take them then he has a right to distribute them as well.

No. He isn't a smoker so he had no right to take them and keep them. He is not a smoker so he had no right to distribute them to whoever HE FELT LIKE EITHER. He had no right to take them full stop. If something HE needed and HE wanted was taken and hidden and he was told "It was for your own good Marcus cos you always moan you haven't any left", he would've blown an bleedin' gasket!!

He took the cigs and he took them for Bea. His face and his language and aggression when she said she couldn't give a fig he had cigarettes SHOWED that he wanted to impress her .. and failed .. miserably!

100% correct Lord, but don't expect a rational argument to cut any sway with the habitual wrong Free-of-thinking.

As you say, what right does he have to decided on the distribution of cigarettes? Would he have been as happy to see Hira have the role as distributor of alcohol she has taken for her own advantage?

He never hid the fact. But they weren't his to take. 4 packs were sent in for the 4 smokers. When booze is sent in BB sends pop in for non drinkers. If a non drinker had taken a bottle of wine all hell would have broken loose.

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Originally posted by Free Thinking:

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Originally posted by love greek sunsets:
sorry but he shouldn't have had them in the first place, if any other HM had of done this there would have been uproar. Selfish to keep the cigs back from them, whether he was going to give them to Bea or not.

How was it selfish, he said he wasn't about to smoke them himself? He said he could share them out when needed, just like other people do. He has a right to control cigarette distribution just like anyone else does, it was part of the communal budget. As he said they would just disappear really quickly if they were just left out in the open. If others take them then he has a right to distribute them as well.

why does he have a right to control the cigarettes he is just a HM and a depraved one at that, he has no entitlement to control anything apart from his lying underhanded self.

He had them when they were told there was no tobacco in the shopping and never said a word, plus he must have packed them in his suitcase on Friday. He had no right to have them anyway, it really is all about control with him

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Originally posted by Free Thinking:

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Originally posted by Little Miss Spurs:

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Originally posted by Lord Lucan:
He was trying to show off to Bea that he had all that stuff hidden away and was then humiliated big time when Bea said she couldn't give a sh!t if he had cigarettes or indeed, if he was "sleeping on a matress made of cigarettes" .

Showing off and trying to impress Bea has backfired on him. The fact he didn't tell Lisa or David he had cigs shows what a controlling knob he is.

He's a total numpty. Must say tho, all blame seems to have been taken away from him due to the aftermath. Could talk his way out of anything that one. Couldnt believe it when he said he was gonna go and have a go at Bea and Freddie ... FOR WHAT MARCUS?!

Because he had told them he had them but they said he hadn't and that he had kept them secret, which was wrong.

Oh, Now Im even more I thought he went and told them off for chastising him!

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Originally posted by Lord Lucan:

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Originally posted by Free Thinking:

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Originally posted by love greek sunsets:
sorry but he shouldn't have had them in the first place, if any other HM had of done this there would have been uproar. Selfish to keep the cigs back from them, whether he was going to give them to Bea or not.

How was it selfish, he said he wasn't about to smoke them himself? He said he could share them out when needed, just like other people do. He has a right to control cigarette distribution just like anyone else does, it was part of the communal budget. As he said they would just disappear really quickly if they were just left out in the open. If others take them then he has a right to distribute them as well.

No. He isn't a smoker so he had no right to take them and keep them. He is not a smoker so he had no right to distribute them to whoever HE FELT LIKE EITHER. He had no right to take them full stop. If something HE needed and HE wanted was taken and hidden and he was told "It was for your own good Marcus cos you always moan you haven't any left", he would've blown an bleedin' gasket!!

He took the cigs and he took them for Bea. His face and his language and aggression when she said she couldn't give a fig he had cigarettes SHOWED that he wanted to impress her .. and failed .. miserably!

and he changed his story; First he was giving them to Bea and then he was gonna share them out! So which was it Marcus? Pants on Fire I say!

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Originally posted by Little Miss Spurs:
Oh, Now Im even more I thought he went and told them off for chastising him!

He had to tell them off for reacting normally to a non smoker having fags stashed away.

In Marcus' head his friends should have said "Yay, Marcus is a hero", when told the news.

I think he hid them as a strategy.He knew the smokers would be through most of their fags by Sunday evening and he could play the big 'I am' by saying 'I knew you lot wouldnt be able to last so I stashed some away for emergencies'.Then his sworn enemy Lisa would have to ask him for one.In Marcus' eyes she would 'owe' him and would possibly not nominate him on Monday.Either that or he could barter the ciggies for items he DID want like extra food.
If the fags are coming out of everyones budget,fair enough I think.It wouldnt be fair if he'd hidden fags if one of the smokers had exchanged a token for them.

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Originally posted by love greek sunsets:
sorry but he shouldn't have had them in the first place, if any other HM had of done this there would have been uproar. Selfish to keep the cigs back from them, whether he was going to give them to Bea or not.

If any other HM but Marcus had them there wouldn't have been an "uproar" actually, except maybe if it had been Lisa but we all know Lisa wouldn't have shared.

Darnell last years had cartons and cartons of fags in order to dish out to smokers.

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Originally posted by Little Miss Spurs:

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Originally posted by Lord Lucan:

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Originally posted by Free Thinking:

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Originally posted by love greek sunsets:
sorry but he shouldn't have had them in the first place, if any other HM had of done this there would have been uproar. Selfish to keep the cigs back from them, whether he was going to give them to Bea or not.

How was it selfish, he said he wasn't about to smoke them himself? He said he could share them out when needed, just like other people do. He has a right to control cigarette distribution just like anyone else does, it was part of the communal budget. As he said they would just disappear really quickly if they were just left out in the open. If others take them then he has a right to distribute them as well.

No. He isn't a smoker so he had no right to take them and keep them. He is not a smoker so he had no right to distribute them to whoever HE FELT LIKE EITHER. He had no right to take them full stop. If something HE needed and HE wanted was taken and hidden and he was told "It was for your own good Marcus cos you always moan you haven't any left", he would've blown an bleedin' gasket!!

He took the cigs and he took them for Bea. His face and his language and aggression when she said she couldn't give a fig he had cigarettes SHOWED that he wanted to impress her .. and failed .. miserably!

and he changed his story; First he was giving them to Bea and then he was gonna share them out! So which was it Marcus? Pants on Fire I say!

He looked sheepish and shifty when cornered about having the ciggies in his drawer but in typical Marcus fashion, he then turned it round and blamed everyone else for his wrong doing!