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Originally posted by kazzy:
Are you feeling better super

Awww, thanks for asking Kazzy ...way off 100% but better than I was thanks. Had a lovely day out with friends, and the sun shone

Glad to hear you are ok now cali

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Originally posted by CaptVimes:
Glad to hear you are ok now cali

Thanks Capt

Hey all, just catching up with the threads on the Lisa/ Freddie situ....just be nice to me instead

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Originally posted by Supercalifragilistic:

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Originally posted by kazzy:
Are you feeling better super

Awww, thanks for asking Kazzy ...way off 100% but better than I was thanks. Had a lovely day out with friends, and the sun shone

I know what you mean.

I went out for the first time today. So nice to have some fresh air

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Originally posted by kazzy:

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Originally posted by Supercalifragilistic:

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Originally posted by kazzy:
Are you feeling better super

Awww, thanks for asking Kazzy ...way off 100% but better than I was thanks. Had a lovely day out with friends, and the sun shone

I know what you mean.

I went out for the first time today. So nice to have some fresh air

Just read loadsa posts and the general view seems to be that Freddie didn't behave well and
either:
a) it was 'pay back' time and therefore forgiveable
OR
b) he behaved as badly as Lisa and therefore unforgiveable

Is that it in a nutshell?

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Originally posted by Mathematics:

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Originally posted by Supercalifragilistic:
Missed the show tonight. Haven't been on the forum 'til now. There seem to be loads of threads about it, but could someone quickly tell me what he actually did? Ta

He laughed in Lisa's face when she called him a wanker, then proceeded to laugh at her outside of the kitchen. She kept hurling her usual abuse, and she ended up retreating. It was a beautiful sight. She can only handle the heat when she has 3+ henchmen standing at her side.

Dont bother, the OP will still hate him.

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Originally posted by Videostar:

Dont bother, the OP will still hate him.

Do you mean me by OP Video i don't hate him, just never really liked him that much, but have kept an open mind

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Originally posted by Supercalifragilistic:
Just read loadsa posts and the general view seems to be that Freddie didn't behave well and
either:
a) it was 'pay back' time and therefore forgiveable
OR
b) he behaved as badly as Lisa and therefore unforgiveable

Is that it in a nutshell?

Pretty much

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Originally posted by Supercalifragilistic:

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Originally posted by Videostar:

Dont bother, the OP will still hate him.

Do you mean me by OP Video i don't hate him, just never really liked him that much, but have kept an open mind

Fair enough, im only kidding.

I'd watch it all for yourself and make your own mind up.

How can the same incident result in such opposing views from people on this forum?
I think we have got to that stage now where supporters and opposers fight their corner even harder.
More extreme words and phrases enter the discussions - lies even. (But when people resort to lies in support of a housemate they are actually defeating their own argument.)
It actually gets easier to tell which versions seem most fair and least biased. It also becomes more obvious where strong support or dislike for a housemate results in exaggeration
and fantasy.

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Originally posted by Supercalifragilistic:
Just read loadsa posts and the general view seems to be that Freddie didn't behave well and
either:
a) it was 'pay back' time and therefore forgiveable
OR
b) he behaved as badly as Lisa and therefore unforgiveable

Is that it in a nutshell?

Not really.
A lot of people thought that Freddie behaved well.
I suppose it depends on where your starting point is.
Regards

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Originally posted by brisket:

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Originally posted by Supercalifragilistic:
Just read loadsa posts and the general view seems to be that Freddie didn't behave well and
either:
a) it was 'pay back' time and therefore forgiveable
OR
b) he behaved as badly as Lisa and therefore unforgiveable

Is that it in a nutshell?

Not really.
A lot of people thought that Freddie behaved well.
I suppose it depends on where your starting point is.
Regards

Fair point, that was what I was half jokingly saying about the OP, if they didn't like Freddie to begin with the wont like him any more now.

We are all biased I guess.

marcus and bea nommed, but invalid and all hm's up, gasp of horror and loads of laughter was the reaction to all being up.
in the kitchen,fred tells dave everyone is aware of his game plan and lisa's,dave is outaged at the suggestion, bea wants to know why dave doesn't like her, question is dodged, in piles lisa, wagging a finger and shouting at halfwit, fred laughs and carries on winding her up,lisa calls the public arseholes and tells dave to get out of the kitchen,fred tells lisa that he (fred) isn't going anywhere, been up 5 times and saved every time, lisa tells him he's a jumped up dick(or words to that effect)fred laughs some more.

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Originally posted by pretty~cocoa~eyes:

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Originally posted by Supercalifragilistic:

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Originally posted by pretty~cocoa~eyes:
@@@@@@@@@ Supercalifragilistic:
Watch it yourself dont listen to anyone.... I have seen transcripts written by his fans and have been shocked

Gawd Pretty/ Capt. et al, this does sound like it's really put the cats amongst the pigeons...so p'd off I missed it!.... BUT I've had a lovely day/'eve so, "rock and roll"

Im sure your night of rock and roll was worth it....

Only thing I can say is that Freddie has lost a bunch of fans tonight

Freddie lost no true fans thats for sure. Still by far the nicest HM.

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Originally posted by JacksonB:
marcus and bea nommed, but invalid and all hm's up, gasp of horror and loads of laughter was the reaction to all being up.
in the kitchen,fred tells dave everyone is aware of his game plan and lisa's,dave is outaged at the suggestion, bea wants to know why dave doesn't like her, question is dodged, in piles lisa, wagging a finger and shouting at halfwit, fred laughs and carries on winding her up,lisa calls the public arseholes and tells dave to get out of the kitchen,fred tells lisa that he (fred) isn't going anywhere, been up 5 times and saved every time, lisa tells him he's a jumped up dick(or words to that effect)fred laughs some more.

I think that summed it up fairly JacksonB and as far as I can see completely without bias towards either side. Fair play to you

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Originally posted by Mathematics:

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Originally posted by Supercalifragilistic:
Missed the show tonight. Haven't been on the forum 'til now. There seem to be loads of threads about it, but could someone quickly tell me what he actually did? Ta

He laughed in Lisa's face when she called him a wanker, then proceeded to laugh at her outside of the kitchen. She kept hurling her usual abuse, and she ended up retreating. It was a beautiful sight. She can only handle the heat when she has 3+ henchmen standing at her side.

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Originally posted by brisket:

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Originally posted by Supercalifragilistic:
Just read loadsa posts and the general view seems to be that Freddie didn't behave well and
either:
a) it was 'pay back' time and therefore forgiveable
OR
b) he behaved as badly as Lisa and therefore unforgiveable

Is that it in a nutshell?

Not really.
A lot of people thought that Freddie behaved well.
I suppose it depends on where your starting point is.
Regards

Brisket, was just going by the fact that some of his biggest supporters didn't approve of some of the behavior e.g. Mary Bee

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Originally posted by tupps:
The worm turned..

and the Lisa fans came out of the closet..

Tupps! I'm not a Lisa fan .... I can't stand her... but I was disappointed in Freddie last night. He took it too far, and I'm with Olly (see her thread) that he'd well outsmarted Lisa earlier in the series and last night he just sank to Team Nasty's level for a while. I hope he rises above it again.

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Originally posted by ~~KaffyBaffy~~:

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Originally posted by tupps:
The worm turned..

and the Lisa fans came out of the closet..

Tupps! I'm not a Lisa fan .... I can't stand her... but I was disappointed in Freddie last night. He took it too far, and I'm with Olly (see her thread) that he'd well outsmarted Lisa earlier in the series and last night he just sank to Team Nasty's level for a while. I hope he rises above it again.

Awwww Kaff... I'm only leg pulling.

He's human. Sometimes maybe a little Schadenfreude may come into seeing someone who systematically ground someone down and encouraged others to do the same squirm. He had a moment of Schadenfreude and peeled back the facade she has had for a couple of weeks to exposed the nasty git she still is.

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Originally posted by Supercalifragilistic:

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Originally posted by brisket:

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Originally posted by Supercalifragilistic:
Just read loadsa posts and the general view seems to be that Freddie didn't behave well and
either:
a) it was 'pay back' time and therefore forgiveable
OR
b) he behaved as badly as Lisa and therefore unforgiveable

Is that it in a nutshell?

Not really.
A lot of people thought that Freddie behaved well.
I suppose it depends on where your starting point is.
Regards

Brisket, was just going by the fact that some of his biggest supporters didn't approve of some of the behavior e.g. Mary Bee

I should just say here that I have seen a post by Mary Bee this morning where she says quite clearly that her opinion of Freddie is unchanged.

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Originally posted by squiggle:

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Originally posted by Supercalifragilistic:

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Originally posted by brisket:

quote:

Originally posted by Supercalifragilistic:
Just read loadsa posts and the general view seems to be that Freddie didn't behave well and
either:
a) it was 'pay back' time and therefore forgiveable
OR
b) he behaved as badly as Lisa and therefore unforgiveable

Is that it in a nutshell?

Not really.
A lot of people thought that Freddie behaved well.
I suppose it depends on where your starting point is.
Regards

Brisket, was just going by the fact that some of his biggest supporters didn't approve of some of the behavior e.g. Mary Bee

I should just say here that I have seen a post by Mary Bee this morning where she says quite clearly that her opinion of Freddie is unchanged.

Ayeee.

I didn't like the way he handled himself last night but it's not changed my opinion on him so you're both kind of right there

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Originally posted by mary_bee:

Brisket, was just going by the fact that some of his biggest supporters didn't approve of some of the behavior e.g. Mary Bee

I should just say here that I have seen a post by Mary Bee this morning where she says quite clearly that her opinion of Freddie is unchanged.[/QUOTE]

Ayeee.

I didn't like the way he handled himself last night but it's not changed my opinion on him so you're both kind of right there [/QUOTE]

Mary, that was just what I was trying to say, that some of his biggest supporters didn't like some of his behaviour, not that that meant they'd stopped supporting him/liking him

he was great last nite n marcus

I'm not a Freddie supporter.. and some of the time he gets right on my lils.. in fact his Springtime song nearly made me hurl.. but where that took him down a few notches his pwning of Lisa took him back up and up a couple.

He may have lost supporters.. but he has probably gained a few cheerleaders.

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Originally posted by Supercalifragilistic:

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Originally posted by mary_bee:

Brisket, was just going by the fact that some of his biggest supporters didn't approve of some of the behavior e.g. Mary Bee

I should just say here that I have seen a post by Mary Bee this morning where she says quite clearly that her opinion of Freddie is unchanged.

Ayeee.

I didn't like the way he handled himself last night but it's not changed my opinion on him so you're both kind of right there [/QUOTE]

Mary, that was just what I was trying to say, that some of his biggest supporters didn't like some of his behaviour, not that that meant they'd stopped supporting him/liking him[/QUOTE]

Noo I know, it's cool

Fred and Marcus KNEW that Marcus and or Bea would be up, they knew because they were aware, FAR MORE aware than WE are, of Lisa and her worm tongue going around the house influencing the other HMs they NEVER stop, I bet they get up each day, and its hey ho here we go, whisper whisper,
SO when it all blew up in her face, and they KNEW that she was SHITTING herself cause she has been told that if she is up she will probably be out,
and THAT is why Fred and Marcus found it so funny........WHO wouldnt?

Ok , I've watched it several times now and my opinion is,(if anyone is interested )

He ridiculed Lisa and repeatedly laughed in her face - not nice
He was pleased that Team Lisa had been shafted and his friends were not the only ones in the firing line for eviction and, given her earlier treatment of him, that's understandable
He's getting too cocky that the public like him - maybe they won't if he behaves like that
His "Nerr, Nerr, Lisa's up for eviction," comments were at best childish and unpleasant
He was 'up for a barney' only as long as he had his 'bigger and harder' mates Bea and Marcus standing by him for support
Lisa and David tried to walk away from the row and he immediately followed them,(with Bea,) for 'seconds' and to try and finish them off- not necessary
Freddie's repeated efforts over time to make Lisa look bad to other hms and nominate her seem to me to be little different to what he is accusing her of

THe thing that REALLY, REALLY confuses me is that, rather than attribute this behaviour of Freddies' to the articulate, public school and Oxbridge educated Freddie, that many folk on here are attributing it to Marcus and Bea, as though he has caught a nasty side to his personality like a cold/ by osmosis by hanging around with them

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Originally posted by old hippy guy:
Fred and Marcus KNEW that Marcus and or Bea would be up, they knew because they were aware, FAR MORE aware than WE are, of Lisa and her worm tongue going around the house influencing the other HMs they NEVER stop, I bet they get up each day, and its hey ho here we go, whisper whisper,
SO when it all blew up in her face, and they KNEW that she was SHITTING herself cause she has been told that if she is up she will probably be out,
and THAT is why Fred and Marcus found it so funny........WHO wouldnt?

Interested re what you think of Freddie these days OHG? Remember that you really didn't like him at first and then seemed to warm to him