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My line manager has ordered requested that I become a fire martial but for various reasons I don't want to be.

The man I share an office with has suggested:

"I would like to but I am useless in a crisis"

And/ or

"I am not suited to the role as I have an uncontrollable urge for self-preservation when the sh*t hits the fan".

Although factually accurate I don't think I can use either (or both) of these as my line manager does not have a sense of humour. Frowner

Any suggestions?

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I was a fire marshal at my old office. There were several of us chosen to be marshals. We were given some basic training by professionals in how to assist in evacuating the premises and in using types of fire extinguisher (as different types are used depending on the type of fire). The course should be aimed at giving the marshals the confidence to act in an emergency.

It was stressed that we should not do anything which would put our lives at risk - we certainly were not expected to single-handedly put out fires which had got out of control.

We never had an event where we had to put what we had learnt into action. But I remembered what I was taught, and one day what I learnt may save my life or someone else's life.

So please think about this before trying to get out of it, unless you have a genuine reason, in which case be straight with your manager.

You may think that you are useless in a crisis, but if you have the knowledge as to what to do, you will find that you are not useless, and that is what the training should provide - the knowledge.
El Loro
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Originally posted by Angel of the North:
Find out what the training involves first Bun...at our place I was going to do it till I found out part of the training involves wearing breathing apparatus and crawling through a dark smoke filled room Red Face


That's sensible. I worked in an office of about 100 people, and there was no suggestion that we would ever be expected to start wearing breathing apparatus etc. Obviously someone working in a chemical plant for instance would be more likely to have to do this.
El Loro
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Originally posted by El Loro:
quote:
Originally posted by Angel of the North:
Find out what the training involves first Bun...at our place I was going to do it till I found out part of the training involves wearing breathing apparatus and crawling through a dark smoke filled room Red Face


That's sensible. I worked in an office of about 100 people, and there was no suggestion that we would ever be expected to start wearing breathing apparatus etc. Obviously someone working in a chemical plant for instance would be more likely to have to do this.



But I am a librarian Eeker
FM
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Originally posted by Angel of the North:
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Originally posted by El Loro:
quote:
Originally posted by Angel of the North:
Find out what the training involves first Bun...at our place I was going to do it till I found out part of the training involves wearing breathing apparatus and crawling through a dark smoke filled room Red Face


That's sensible. I worked in an office of about 100 people, and there was no suggestion that we would ever be expected to start wearing breathing apparatus etc. Obviously someone working in a chemical plant for instance would be more likely to have to do this.



But I am a librarian Eeker


But then you have the public in the library to consider, there is the need to ensure that they have all escaped - hence the breathing apparatus. I'll have to ask my brother if he had training in using breathing apparatus - he is a librarian.
El Loro
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Originally posted by El Loro:
I was a fire marshal at my old office. There were several of us chosen to be marshals. We were given some basic training by professionals in how to assist in evacuating the premises and in using types of fire extinguisher (as different types are used depending on the type of fire). The course should be aimed at giving the marshals the confidence to act in an emergency.

It was stressed that we should not do anything which would put our lives at risk - we certainly were not expected to single-handedly put out fires which had got out of control.

We never had an event where we had to put what we had learnt into action. But I remembered what I was taught, and one day what I learnt may save my life or someone else's life.

So please think about this before trying to get out of it, unless you have a genuine reason, in which case be straight with your manager.

You may think that you are useless in a crisis, but if you have the knowledge as to what to do, you will find that you are not useless, and that is what the training should provide - the knowledge.


Thanks for your considered reply Lori ā€“ I think my OP was a bit flippant; my colleague was just having a laugh coming up with those ā€œget-outsā€. I cannot really say why I donā€™t want to do it without going in to a whole lot of office politics.

Itā€™s not because I am not good in a crisis or am afraid of what the role entails. I will think about it but I am being pressured into making a quick decision!
Baby Bunny
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Originally posted by Angel of the North:
Find out what the training involves first Bun...at our place I was going to do it till I found out part of the training involves wearing breathing apparatus and crawling through a dark smoke filled room Red Face


Thanks Angel - I hadn't thought of that - I'll ask the H&S guy what is involved tomorrow.

It was he who probably put my name forward as I used to be a first-aider (St Johnā€™s Ambulance for 5 years) and was recently enquiring what was involved in becoming one at work as my training is way out-of-date. Obviously he now thinks Iā€™m up for all the voluntary roles!
Baby Bunny
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Originally posted by El Loro:
quote:
Originally posted by Angel of the North:
Find out what the training involves first Bun...at our place I was going to do it till I found out part of the training involves wearing breathing apparatus and crawling through a dark smoke filled room Red Face


That's sensible. I worked in an office of about 100 people, and there was no suggestion that we would ever be expected to start wearing breathing apparatus etc. Obviously someone working in a chemical plant for instance would be more likely to have to do this.


Ah well, I do work in proximity of a vast array of chemicals. The fire service quite often visit just as a practice run ā€“ there have been a few incidents and they are always here within 5 minutes. I will just have to see what I am expected to do first and more importantly WHERE!
Baby Bunny
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Originally posted by Bagel Queen:
Its amazing how in control you will feel when you put the Hi-Vis on Big Grin


Laugh I have thought of a few pluses but the Hi-Vis isnā€™t one of them.

The pluses are (from what I have observed): The fire martials are always last out of the building which means they are always first back when we get the all clear ā€“ useful if itā€™s raining ā€“ which it usually is! Another plus is that the martials tend to mill about in the foyer where the FIREMEN also mill about discussing the incident if itā€™s a low risk incident or false alarm.

Previously I have had to content myself with gazing at them from afar but this would give me the opportunity to err... Ninja "throng" in their midst?
Baby Bunny
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Originally posted by Baby Bunny:
quote:
Originally posted by Bagel Queen:
Its amazing how in control you will feel when you put the Hi-Vis on Big Grin


Laugh I have thought of a few pluses but the Hi-Vis isnā€™t one of them.

The pluses are (from what I have observed): The fire martials are always last out of the building which means they are always first back when we get the all clear ā€“ useful if itā€™s raining ā€“ which it usually is! Another plus is that the martials tend to mill about in the foyer where the FIREMEN also mill about discussing the incident if itā€™s a low risk incident or false alarm.

Previously I have had to content myself with gazing at them from afar but this would give me the opportunity to err... Ninja "throng" in their midst?


Bunny i work in a company that does survival and health and safety training i will find a course descriptor for you tomorrow and can post it on here if you like. Let me know xx
*yogi Bear*
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Originally posted by *Yogi Bear*:
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Originally posted by Baby Bunny:
quote:
Originally posted by Bagel Queen:
Its amazing how in control you will feel when you put the Hi-Vis on Big Grin


Laugh I have thought of a few pluses but the Hi-Vis isnā€™t one of them.

The pluses are (from what I have observed): The fire martials are always last out of the building which means they are always first back when we get the all clear ā€“ useful if itā€™s raining ā€“ which it usually is! Another plus is that the martials tend to mill about in the foyer where the FIREMEN also mill about discussing the incident if itā€™s a low risk incident or false alarm.

Previously I have had to content myself with gazing at them from afar but this would give me the opportunity to err... Ninja "throng" in their midst?


Bunny i work in a company that does survival and health and safety training i will find a course descriptor for you tomorrow and can post it on here if you like. Let me know xx


Oooh, that sounds a bit like the company I've just found a job with.A training provider. Smiler

We had someone supposed to start on a 'Rope Access' course yesterday. He didn't turn up cos he's just come out with......he's frightened of heights Roll Eyes
FM
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Originally posted by onetoo:

Oooh, that sounds a bit like the company I've just found a job with.A training provider. Smiler

We had someone supposed to start on a 'Rope Access' course yesterday. He didn't turn up cos he's just come out with......he's frightened of heights Roll Eyes


pmsl who do you work for cause we don't do rope access and we keep getting asked who does... and as we have a centre in billingham i can direct them to you Thumbs Up
*yogi Bear*
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Originally posted by *Yogi Bear*:
quote:
Originally posted by onetoo:

Oooh, that sounds a bit like the company I've just found a job with.A training provider. Smiler

We had someone supposed to start on a 'Rope Access' course yesterday. He didn't turn up cos he's just come out with......he's frightened of heights Roll Eyes


pmsl who do you work for cause we don't do rope access and we keep getting asked who does... and as we have a centre in billingham i can direct them to you Thumbs Up


A company called BTCV (British Conservation Trust Volunteers) There's two 'sides' of it. We've got offices all over the North East Smiler

A link Yogi
FM
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Originally posted by *Yogi Bear*:
we've got one in Aberdeen and one in Billingham, it's falck nutec i work for. Up here we mostly do offshore survival and in billingham it heads more towards the health and safety side but they do a lot of windfarm stuff too these days


Ah, we send peeps up there! I've posted a link to BTCV in my prev post Smiler
FM
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Originally posted by *Yogi Bear*:
quote:
Originally posted by BeerBelle:
do you get a financial incentive. i used to be a first aider and i got Ā£100 at xmas for my troubles. i never even had to dispense a plaster! Big Grin


i got an extra Ā£10 a month and got pee'd on Frowner


what parlour offered this service ?
at only a tenner
Thumbs Uprubs hands in Rigsby style ...lol Wink


Bun
just go the training day ...
Free dinner
then start playing with matches in the corner and have Firestarter as a ringtone ,hahaha
Mike Strutter

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