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All Marcus wanted was to get the place cleaner, is that a crime?

I don't like those who keep under the radar and pretend to get along with people, they are just trying to fool the audience (which they succeed in doing every year).

And Marcus I think we can say says what he thinks to people's faces. He did to Noirin, he has to Freddie, he has to Siavash.

Did i miss the moment when he actually told Tom, face to face, that he would punch his face in?

I think he made it clear enough to Tom that he didn't like him. Give me an example of where he was sucking up to Tom please.

I'm perfectly happy that i have made the point that i wanted to make...

What point? That Marcus should have got himself thrown out by making a physical threat to someone face to face? Whatever floats your boat I guess. I prefer not to see that.

So just as two-faced as Sophie, except in the case of Marcus you have attached reasoning - or an excuse, to justify his behaviour.

It's not the same at all. Sophie went to the DR saying 'I love Marcus' "I want Marcus' etc etc. Did Marcus ever do that about Tom? Sophie went under a duvet with Marcus and had a chat about stuff such as Noirin and Kris, acting like she was his friend.

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All Marcus wanted was to get the place cleaner, is that a crime?

I don't like those who keep under the radar and pretend to get along with people, they are just trying to fool the audience (which they succeed in doing every year).

And Marcus I think we can say says what he thinks to people's faces. He did to Noirin, he has to Freddie, he has to Siavash.

Did i miss the moment when he actually told Tom, face to face, that he would punch his face in?

I think he made it clear enough to Tom that he didn't like him. Give me an example of where he was sucking up to Tom please.

I'm perfectly happy that i have made the point that i wanted to make...

What point? That Marcus should have got himself thrown out by making a physical threat to someone face to face? Whatever floats your boat I guess. I prefer not to see that.

So just as two-faced as Sophie, except in the case of Marcus you have attached reasoning - or an excuse, to justify his behaviour.

It's not the same at all. Sophie went to the DR saying 'I love Marcus' "I want Marcus' etc etc. Did Marcus ever do that about Tom? Sophie went under a duvet with Marcus and had a chat about stuff such as Noirin and Kris, acting like she was his friend.

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Originally posted by *KG*:
Sophie's got a foot in each camp, but I think that that's just the way she is. I really don't think its deliberate I think she just agrees with whatever is being said, depending on whose company she happens to be in and I'm guessing she's very similar in RL.

She does it to make people like her (she lacks confidence IMO) and also to avoid confrontation.

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All Marcus wanted was to get the place cleaner, is that a crime?

I don't like those who keep under the radar and pretend to get along with people, they are just trying to fool the audience (which they succeed in doing every year).

And Marcus I think we can say says what he thinks to people's faces. He did to Noirin, he has to Freddie, he has to Siavash.

Did i miss the moment when he actually told Tom, face to face, that he would punch his face in?

I think he made it clear enough to Tom that he didn't like him. Give me an example of where he was sucking up to Tom please.

I'm perfectly happy that i have made the point that i wanted to make...

What point? That Marcus should have got himself thrown out by making a physical threat to someone face to face? Whatever floats your boat I guess. I prefer not to see that.

So just as two-faced as Sophie, except in the case of Marcus you have attached reasoning - or an excuse, to justify his behaviour.

It's not the same at all. Sophie went to the DR saying 'I love Marcus' "I want Marcus' etc etc. Did Marcus ever do that about Tom? Sophie went under a duvet with Marcus and had a chat about stuff such as Noirin and Kris, acting like she was his friend.

Several FMs commented on the DR protest that Sophie did not seem very committed - you missed out her final cry; GO MARCUS! Hhmmm

Marcus went under the duvet with Sophie and had a heart to heart chat just days after telling Noirin that Sophie could not be trusted. To dismiss it as not being the same at all is unfair.

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Good point about Sophie. A friend wouldn't be nasty but they would tease about something to their friend's face.

Marcus was probably delighted that Tom was leaving and rather than express that by behaving like a twit and verbally kicking him when down, he was supportive and what he said to Noirin was perfectly acceptable. She tried to claim she was joking of course....
The comments about Tom... i've heard soo many men bluffing like that when another bloke annoys them, it seems to be just the way they communicate it and doesn't bear any relation to actual threat of violence at all. I've heard many a woman threatening that another "deserves a good slap" too in my time. I always look at the person saying it to determine whether it is really serious or not.
As this is BB and out of my depth really, I just have to trust that my judgement of Marcus is right. If there was any history of him being violent or getting arrested for instance for GBH i'm sure we would have read about it.

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The comments about Tom... i've heard soo many men bluffing like that when another bloke annoys them, it seems to be just the way they communicate it and doesn't bear any relation to actual threat of violence at all. I've heard many a woman threatening that another "deserves a good slap" too in my time.

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Originally posted by *KG*:
Sophie's got a foot in each camp, but I think that that's just the way she is. I really don't think its deliberate I think she just agrees with whatever is being said, depending on whose company she happens to be in and I'm guessing she's very similar in RL.

She does it to make people like her (she lacks confidence IMO) and also to avoid confrontation.

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It's a gameplan, but I don't like fence sitters much. Rodrigo is the biggest fence sitter in there though (maybe Hira with him, but not seen much of her yet).

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Good point about Sophie. A friend wouldn't be nasty but they would tease about something to their friend's face.

Marcus was probably delighted that Tom was leaving and rather than express that by behaving like a twit and verbally kicking him when down, he was supportive and what he said to Noirin was perfectly acceptable. She tried to claim she was joking of course....
The comments about Tom... i've heard soo many men bluffing like that when another bloke annoys them, it seems to be just the way they communicate it and doesn't bear any relation to actual threat of violence at all. I've heard many a woman threatening that another "deserves a good slap" too in my time. I always look at the person saying it to determine whether it is really serious or not.
As this is BB and out of my depth really, I just have to trust that my judgement of Marcus is right. If there was any history of him being violent or getting arrested for instance for GBH i'm sure we would have read about it.

Just letting everyone know, all the time, just how violent he could be, is often enough for people like Marcus.

And they don't care how that affects other people.

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The comments about Tom... i've heard soo many men bluffing like that when another bloke annoys them, it seems to be just the way they communicate it and doesn't bear any relation to actual threat of violence at all. I've heard many a woman threatening that another "deserves a good slap" too in my time.

Yeh it's just a way of letting out frustration and anger. You can often tell if someone is REALLY unstable and has the potential to actually make their words action.

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I think you are misjudging how "other people" are really affected. Was anybody concerned in the BB house apart from BB itself? Did anyone really look scared of Marcus when he said what he "would do" if Tom called him a twat again or whatever it was? I even think I spotted a yawn somewhere, hardly the reaction of anybody taking Marcus seriously and actually imagining him beating Tom to a pulp.

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I think you are misjudging how "other people" are really affected. Was anybody concerned in the BB house apart from BB itself? Did anyone really look scared of Marcus when he said what he "would do" if Tom called him a twat again or whatever it was? I even think I spotted a yawn somewhere, hardly the reaction of anybody taking Marcus seriously and actually imagining him beating Tom to a pulp.

I'm not saying that they were consciously scared, but people who use threats of violence do affect other people and how they treat them. It is all part of his control agenda.

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I dont think he has a control agenda, he's just a positive thinking doer of a guy, yes he speaks before he thinks sometimes but it's all passion for what he believes in.

He was wrong in the judging task tho when David went to the DR instead of him, he is not the only one who should be allowed to do that, so I disagreed with him there.

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I dont think he has a control agenda, he's just a positive thinking doer of a guy, yes he speaks before he thinks sometimes but it's all passion for what he believes in.

He was wrong in the judging task tho when David went to the DR instead of him, he is not the only one who should be allowed to do that, so I disagreed with him there.

But that's what he does all the time!
Even if someone else is picked for something, he has to be the one deciding!

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oh fgs, she has b***hed about someone...she has committed such a big crime...and did anyone see the protest last week properly...she was so taking the piss when she said "we all love Marcus"

There is nothing wrong in being two-faced...and I think Sophie was absolutely spot on about Marcus...power is going to his head.

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The comments about Tom... i've heard soo many men bluffing like that when another bloke annoys them, it seems to be just the way they communicate it and doesn't bear any relation to actual threat of violence at all. I've heard many a woman threatening that another "deserves a good slap" too in my time. I always look at the person saying it to determine whether it is really serious or not.
As this is BB and out of my depth really, I just have to trust that my judgement of Marcus is right. If there was any history of him being violent or getting arrested for instance for GBH i'm sure we would have read about it.

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PMSL Cold Sweat Tis rather spooky after all the rucks we had over here all those years ago

One thing we don't have in common though, is the fact that I like an HM doesn't render me either blind or deaf, which I seem to remember you being where a certain HM was concerned

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The comments about Tom... i've heard soo many men bluffing like that when another bloke annoys them, it seems to be just the way they communicate it and doesn't bear any relation to actual threat of violence at all. I've heard many a woman threatening that another "deserves a good slap" too in my time. I always look at the person saying it to determine whether it is really serious or not.
As this is BB and out of my depth really, I just have to trust that my judgement of Marcus is right. If there was any history of him being violent or getting arrested for instance for GBH i'm sure we would have read about it.

But this was not an isolated incident, was it? There was also the suggestion that Marcus would give Sree a beating outside of the house. Sophie was present during that unsavoury confrontation in the garden; I cannot blame her if she feels intimidated to say anything negative to Marcus directly.

The one time that Sophie did actually make a stand against Marcus was when Kris and he had been backstabbing her – and she was so timid when she approached him over that particular incident.

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I dont think he has a control agenda, he's just a positive thinking doer of a guy, yes he speaks before he thinks sometimes but it's all passion for what he believes in.

He was wrong in the judging task tho when David went to the DR instead of him, he is not the only one who should be allowed to do that, so I disagreed with him there.

But that's what he does all the time!
Even if someone else is picked for something, he has to be the one deciding!