Insight to Freddie by his friend Ravi.. and the power of editting.

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Comrade Ogilvy

Found this over on DS.

http://newbe.at/mod/groups/top...c=1719&group_guid=47

I found this part an interesting insight into the demonisation (sp?) of HMs by the edit...

"I met Kris recently for a spot of BBLB filming at Freddie's house and I discussed some of what I've said here with him. He saw what I meant and basically agreed with this. He also added that while he had clashed somewhat with Freddie in the house we did not as an audience get to see the odd one hour conversation where they chatted together quite happily. We did not, for example, see Freddie and Kris discussing Freddie's vision of establishing permaculture and boosting nutrition for children in Shropshire. As a couple of local boys, they agreed that something had to be done and Kris said he's looking forward to working with Freddie in the future and coming to his house for a party once the series is over."

Now I didn't like Kris at all but I especially dislike BB pissing on my leg and telling me it's raining.

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Comrade OgilvyMember

7/28/098:06 AM

langsterMember

I agree comrade. As usual you are spot on.

Don't worry, we are not all fooled by BB's bullshite though.

7/28/098:07 AM

Former Member

Somebody already done a thread babe!

7/28/098:07 AM

Comrade OgilvyMember

quote:
Originally posted by Tiddly~Wink:
Somebody already done a thread babe!

Oops.., sorry, I never saw it.

7/28/098:09 AM

MazzystarMember

I know I've said this before,but BB just creates charicatures of the HMs and uses footage to reinforce them.Guess thats what Marcus was trying to get across last night,but looked like a muppet instead

7/28/098:14 AM

kattymieowwMember 10 years

We really are missing a lot without live feed.

7/28/098:15 AM

Comrade OgilvyMember

quote:
Originally posted by Mazzystar:
I know I've said this before,but BB just creates charicatures of the HMs and uses footage to reinforce them.Guess thats what Marcus was trying to get across last night,but looked like a muppet instead

But if they had footage of him eloquently making his point and footage of him looking like a muppet.. what footage do you think they'd choose to use ?

7/28/098:17 AM

Former Member

Marcus is treating BB as the enemy. Time he learned about the softly softly catchee monkee tactic. Can't stand him, but understand what he's trying to do, he's just going about it in the worst way possible!

7/28/098:18 AM

MazzystarMember

quote:
Originally posted by Comrade Ogilvy:
quote:
Originally posted by Mazzystar:
I know I've said this before,but BB just creates charicatures of the HMs and uses footage to reinforce them.Guess thats what Marcus was trying to get across last night,but looked like a muppet instead

But if they had footage of him eloquently making his point and footage of him looking like a muppet.. what footage do you think they'd choose to use ?

It depends what 'role' they see him as having in the house.They'd probably assigned him a Tim,nice but dim role...so were keen to use footage of a bumbling idiot!

7/28/098:19 AM

langsterMember

quote:
Originally posted by Tiddly~Wink:
Marcus is treating BB as the enemy. Time he learned about the softly softly catchee monkee tactic. Can't stand him, but understand what he's trying to do, he's just going about it in the worst way possible!

Yup, I agree. Shame, as he is really the first person to really try and take BB on. Although Victor showed signs of it, but in truth he was just a big pussycat wiv da sniffles innit.

7/28/098:19 AM

Tayto.Member

Thanks for that Comrade.
Just goes to show 'there's a lot of good in the worst of us and a lot of bad in the best of us'.
We can't make proper judgments from what we're being shown.
Even the Audition videos are edited to the last.

7/28/098:20 AM

suzybeanMember

quote:
Originally posted by Comrade Ogilvy:
quote:
Originally posted by Mazzystar:
I know I've said this before,but BB just creates charicatures of the HMs and uses footage to reinforce them.Guess thats what Marcus was trying to get across last night,but looked like a muppet instead

But if they had footage of him eloquently making his point and footage of him looking like a muppet.. what footage do you think they'd choose to use ?

But, they did show Marcus giving them what for over the Sree and implied racism issue a few weeks ago in the DR.

7/28/098:22 AM

MozartMember

but even on Kris`s eviction interview and on BBBM he still insisted freddie was a knob. IMO Kris has seen and had a taste of what Freddies got, so decides he aint that bad after all.

7/28/098:33 AM

jononoMember

I think it sounds more like Kris Backtracking to gain a remnant of a media career which is why they are all in it. Also it's hardly life or death if an 'entertainment show' which is all it is, is edited.

7/28/098:41 AM

Former Member

Whether Freddie has a 'condition' or not, it's been very telling about the rest of them that they do not have a wide and varied knowledge of what makes an individual tick. In fact it shows the narrow mindedness and intolerance, and complete lack of empathy, from the shallow minded amongst them, to have put him up for eviction week after week, and assume he was the 'halfwit' BB (disgustingly) branded him as!

7/28/098:42 AM

MozartMember

quote:
Originally posted by Tiddly~Wink:
Whether Freddie has a 'condition' or not, it's been very telling about the rest of them that they do not have a wide and varied knowledge of what makes an individual tick. In fact it shows the narrow mindedness and intolerance, and complete lack of empathy, from the shallow minded amongst them, to have put him up for eviction week after week, and assume he was the 'halfwit' BB (disgustingly) branded him as!

well said Tiddly Wink

7/28/098:44 AM

suzybeanMember

quote:
Originally posted by Tiddly~Wink:
Whether Freddie has a 'condition' or not, it's been very telling about the rest of them that they do not have a wide and varied knowledge of what makes an individual tick. In fact it shows the narrow mindedness and intolerance, and complete lack of empathy, from the shallow minded amongst them, to have put him up for eviction week after week, and assume he was the 'halfwit' BB (disgustingly) branded him as!

The fools!

7/28/098:49 AM

Former Member

Time they gave him his name back. I'm really livid that after his magnanimous gesture to the 'queen of tarts' to remove the reason she couldn't be herself

yeah whatever....that he has been forced to put up with BB's cruel jibe against him for this length of time.

7/28/099:14 AM

Comrade OgilvyMember

quote:
Originally posted by mozart:
but even on Kris`s eviction interview and on BBBM he still insisted freddie was a knob. IMO Kris has seen and had a taste of what Freddies got, so decides he aint that bad after all.

Well you wont catch me defending the guy, I think he was a class A tosser regardless what anyone says (too conceited) but if the conversation in my OP took place, it does seem to indicate that BB edit to fit a narrative.

7/28/0911:02 AM

cupMember

There has to be an element of truth in it,Fred i think would agree with this

Hate no live feed

I can understand how fred could do your head in especially in early weeks,but the way kris went about dealing with it was all wrong

7/28/0911:06 AM

sinkthepinkMember

They may well have chatted and got on outside the H/Ls show that we see

Didnt stop Kris nominating him every week though did it

7/28/0911:09 AM

Comrade OgilvyMember

quote:
Originally posted by Sink the Pink:
They may well have chatted and got on outside the H/Ls show that we see

Didnt stop Kris nominating him every week though did it

No that's true and as I said, I still think he's a conceited wanker.

7/28/0911:40 AM

Comrade OgilvyMember

quote:
Originally posted by Tiddly~Wink:
Time they gave him his name back. I'm really livid that after his magnanimous gesture to the 'queen of tarts' to remove the reason she couldn't be herself yeah whatever....that he has been forced to put up with BB's cruel jibe against him for this length of time.

That IS a good point.

Either Noirin should still be drawing on the glasses and moustache OR.. Sophie and Freddie should no longer be called Dogface and Halfwit.

One or the other.

7/28/0911:43 AM

LiverpoollassMember

quote:
Originally posted by Comrade Ogilvy:

That IS a good point.

Either Noirin should still be drawing on the glasses and moustache OR.. Sophie and Freddie should no longer be called Dogface and Halfwit.

One or the other.

It was never funny or particularly clever of BB to do this in the first place. It has served no purpose and is continuing to serve no purpose and it is about time BB gave them their names back.

7/28/0911:46 AM

figtreeMember

quote:
Originally posted by Tiddly~Wink:
Time they gave him his name back. I'm really livid that after his magnanimous gesture to the 'queen of tarts' to remove the reason she couldn't be herself yeah whatever....that he has been forced to put up with BB's cruel jibe against him for this length of time.

I feel the same as you!It really grates on me when BB or BBLB calls Freddie halfwit isn't name calling what bullies do?

I feel the same about naming Sophie dogface too! Was it supposed to be funny!

If so it went right over my head!

7/28/0911:50 AM

shar69Member

Lisa, the chinese girl from Manchester who swore a lot (bb7 i think), is a friend of a friend. I met her not long after she left the show. I was gobsmacked at how pretty she was, cause on the show she looked a bit of a minger. Even though we had live feed back then, we were prey to BB editing. She was put me right on a lot of things. She said her VT was cut and edited from different stages of the audition process, and that they ask you a question and ask you to answer how you think another auditionee in your group would answer, the game playing apparently starts at auditions. She also said that Grace wasn't as bad as she was made out to be and Nikki was truly like a 5 year old child. Although she didn't like Lea, she said that she was a very maternal person and wasn't infatuated with Pete in the way the programme made it look. There just a few of the things I can remember but she told me loads of stuff. But she definately swore like a trooper.

7/28/0912:18 PM

kattymieowwMember 10 years

My cousins 14 year old son is very dyslexic.. he is extremely clever etc(maths ,science etc) but does lack social skills.He is rather niave in the world.His sister is the total opposite,not that academic etc ,but very popular socially.

7/28/0912:24 PM

Comrade OgilvyMember

quote:
Originally posted by shar69:
Lisa, the chinese girl from Manchester who swore a lot (bb7 i think), is a friend of a friend. I met her not long after she left the show. I was gobsmacked at how pretty she was, cause on the show she looked a bit of a minger. Even though we had live feed back then, we were prey to BB editing. She was put me right on a lot of things. She said her VT was cut and edited from different stages of the audition process, and that they ask you a question and ask you to answer how you think another auditionee in your group would answer, the game playing apparently starts at auditions. She also said that Grace wasn't as bad as she was made out to be and Nikki was truly like a 5 year old child. Although she didn't like Lea, she said that she was a very maternal person and wasn't infatuated with Pete in the way the programme made it look. There just a few of the things I can remember but she told me loads of stuff. But she definately swore like a trooper.

Interesting, thanks for sharing.

She became a plumber didn't she ?

I like the fact she didn't depend on mag deals like most of them, led me to believe she was genuinely there for the experience, and perhaps the chance at winning the prize money.

7/28/099:00 PM

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