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Been drinking since he was 13. I guess his liver never got a chance to develop properly.
I feel sad for him and his family tbh.
No parent should ever have to bury their child regardless of the age or circumstances.
I'm not sure what to think of this piece in the report though.
The shortage of organs has been exacerbated by them being given to overseas patients who pay for the transplants. This year the health department was forced to investigate after it emerged that in the past two years the livers of 50 British donors had been given to foreign patients.
It seems wrong to me that people donate their organs expecting them to be given to the most needy and here is the NHS selling them to patients - and not just British patients that would ultimately save the NHS money in treatment but people who come over, buy the body part and go.
Something not quite right there imo
No parent should ever have to bury their child regardless of the age or circumstances.
I'm not sure what to think of this piece in the report though.
The shortage of organs has been exacerbated by them being given to overseas patients who pay for the transplants. This year the health department was forced to investigate after it emerged that in the past two years the livers of 50 British donors had been given to foreign patients.
It seems wrong to me that people donate their organs expecting them to be given to the most needy and here is the NHS selling them to patients - and not just British patients that would ultimately save the NHS money in treatment but people who come over, buy the body part and go.
Something not quite right there imo
quote:Originally posted by Soozy woo:
A very sad story .....sad that he was drinking heavily from age 13 ..........what was happening/or not happening in his life for him to go down that route ......13 is still a child - why didn't anyone step in to help I wonder.
The sad things Soozy is that he started drinking at 11 when his parents split up. Which parent had custody and allowed a child access to alcohol.
quote:Originally posted by tupps:
It has me torn this one..
Have to say am in two minds also.
Afternoon veggie. Yes I have sadlyquote:Originally posted by Veggieburger:quote:Originally posted by CaptVimes:
The only sad thing is that not enough people donate organs. If they did this wouldnt be a problem.
Ain't that the truth
Afternoon Capt
have you seen the news that Nasri has broken his fibula and is out for 3-4 months apparently?
Sorry for the hijack QOTHT
its started again hasnt it?
Sad. But what can you do ?
My Brother is same, i have cut him off, as im sick of dealing with his crap and the problems he has caused.
Hes on his own now as far as my mother and myself are concerned.
and i bet he still wont wake up and smell the coffee
My Brother is same, i have cut him off, as im sick of dealing with his crap and the problems he has caused.
Hes on his own now as far as my mother and myself are concerned.
and i bet he still wont wake up and smell the coffee
Lots of arguments for and against... such a terrible shame though.
Tell you what though, I'm going to check whether they sell our 'gifted' organs and if they do, I'm taking myself off the register!
Tell you what though, I'm going to check whether they sell our 'gifted' organs and if they do, I'm taking myself off the register!
quote:Originally posted by Lockes no 1 fan:
50 british donors given to foreign patients (for money) now that is disgusting
Well THAT IS disgusting, l am on the donor register, and maybe l should specify, that British first and if no match it can go abroad without charge.
quote:Originally posted by FGG Aka Crocodile Rock:
Tough really....
If he'd abused his that much by that age you can be sure he'd have done it to a new one. Much better that it was given to someone else that will appreciate the new lease of life it gives them.
As much as it pains me, I think you are right
quote:Originally posted by jamieboy:
chuffin heck he was never given a chance
he should of been given the same chance as everyone
once ur dead ur dead the clinical ones who deal with transplants should know wether he had time to go 6 months or not
friggin hell 22 and ppl are thinkin tough shit
how come all the ppl who smoke or eat chocolate and cream cakes and fatty foods get heart treatment after a heart attack they arent told go home and dont smoke or abse ur body for 6 months or we wont give u the heart treatment, they just get it or else they die
this has made me mad
well said....
[QUOTE]Originally posted by jamieboy:
yeh but george best wasnt 22 and had loads of help in his life[/QUOTE
he had indeed why is this help not offered to all
oh is playing god to decide who can get and who cant
yeh but george best wasnt 22 and had loads of help in his life[/QUOTE
he had indeed why is this help not offered to all
oh is playing god to decide who can get and who cant
quote:Originally posted by tupps:quote:there is a serious shortage of rehab/help for alcoholics (especially young ones)
Rehab places.. maybe.. although if you present to a hospital at your rock bottom you'll usually get help..
But there is free and readily available help for all alcoholics.. AA and other 12 step programmes. There is no shortage of it.. but it requires the addict to admit there is a problem and haul their arse to a meeting.. and keep going back and keep working the programme.
All the rehab, meetings, counselling etc in the world can be thrown at them... none of it will work until they are ready to accept it and put the work into their sobriety and recovery.
Bugger... just typed a long reply and it got zapped by the gremlins!
Ok... I don't know why... but I do know they needed residential help for him. He did end up in A&E... on many many occaisions, his kidneys are severely damaged.
My aunt and uncle remortgaged in the end, to get him into his rehab centre (he was there for a year)... and he now attends the meetings you mention. I don't understand why, but I know that in his case, residential rehab was what he needed, and that my aunt & uncle really struggled to find it.
Both my cousins were successful ppl... the recovering one worked in the Stock Market... the one still going through this was a systems analyst - we have no idea what triggered it. But its chronic in them both... there is no 'middle ground'.... there is no 'functioning alcoholic' in their illness.
My uncle tells of going to my cousins house and peeking in the window to check he was alive... and seeing him lying on the floor in his own filth.
I am aware I don't know enough about this... all I know is that where my cousins are concerned... residential care was the only way for them, and I witnessed my aunt and uncles dispair trying to find places.
btw... my first reply was way more articulate and informative !
quote:Originally posted by Suzi-Q:quote:Originally posted by Queen of the High Teas:quote:Originally posted by Suzi-Q:quote:Originally posted by Queen of the High Teas:
Don't get me wrong, I know that there are people out there who abuse these procedures. George Best being the most scandalous case in point. I also personally know a guy who is an alcoholic who had a kidney transplant and carried on drinking which caused the transplant to fail. He didn't seem to give a flying one about it.
Excuse me, but I am waiting for a kidney transplant, so I'm pretty clued up compared with the average person.
Alcohol is dealt with in the liver, not the kidneys. There are hundreds of reasons why a kidney transplant will fail, and 99% of the time it's due to the body rejecting the new kidney and the anti-rejection drugs not working. It has absolutely nothing to do with the amount of alcohol consumed.
Funnily enough, when I was well enough to drink a few glasses of wine of an evening, my kidneys have started to function a bit better. I have been passing urine for the first time in over a year, and my blood levels are good enough for a transplant to be considered. There are still some issues that need to be resolved (health wise) but I have a family member that is willing to donate.
I wasn't meaning to imply that the cause of the transplant failure was exclusively down to the guy consuming alcohol. But the failure was directly attributed to his general lifestyle. He acknoweldged that himself, he was warned repeatedly by his medical people. He did nothing to help his own body accept the new organs. He was an alcoholic, ate a really poor diet, smoked heavily and he would laugh about it and say that he didn't care because he was going to die sometime anyway. That's what makes me mad. He had no respect for his life when there are so many people out there who would give anything for the chance he was given. I have another friend who gave a kidney to his daughter 10 years ago. She has done everything she could to make the most of her life. She is one of the bravest girls I know. She is now 25 years old and in January went into hospital after suffering a fall. Whilst she was there, she contracted MRSA. As a result of the infection she has now lost both kidneys and had to have both hips removed. She is still making jokes and refusing to give up on life despite her horrific circumstances and all the pain and suffering she has endured.
Unless you have walked in someone else's shoes, you have no idea what a person is going through, how they feel, or what makes them tick. Some people are able to laugh at what life throws them, others wallow in self pity. Three years ago, I was fit and healthy. I enjoyed life, but took it for granted. Then I started to feel a bit funny. I had no energy, had problems breathing - even walking from the head of the bed to the foot of the bed left me breathless. I was so weak that the thought of doing a load a washing tired me out. I went into A&E thinking that they would prescribe me an antibiotic and I would be home for tea.
Two months later, after being in the High Dependency Unit, barely able to comprehend what was happening, I was diagnosed with Good Pasture's Disease. Good Pasture's They don't know the exact cause, nor is there a cure. I have been through hell and back. I received drugs that destroyed the red and white blood cells in my bone marrow. I had to go in hospital every 10 days (after my initial dismissal) to get chemo drugs that left me throwing up until I had to go back to start all over again. I had plasma exchanges on the days when I didn't have dialysis. I had to have blood transfusions because the drugs given to me left me without enough red blood cells to transport oxygen through my body. The treatment also killed off almost all my white blood cells so I had no way to fight infection.
I go in three times a week for dialysis, and have had to have minor surgery in order to give an access site for nurses to insert the two needles that enable my blood to be drained, and cleansed. Even then the dialysis only does approximately 30% of what the kidneys do.
At my unit, I have met some wonderful patients only to watch them die. I recently changed my shift, taking the place of a young woman of 23 who died.
I laugh and joke about it, but at the end of the day, none of us are going to get out of this life alive. So, if I want to have a few drinks and enjoy all that life has to offer, who can blame me?
You seem to be taking my comments personally and I am sorry if I have inadvertently offended you. I was simply commenting on my own experiences. The guy that I am talking about I knew before and after his illness. His personal circumstances are very different to yours. I also have a debilitating illness which I have had for over a decade. It's not as serious an illness as yours but there is no treatment so I do understand how illness affects people in different ways. It has cost me and my hubby a large part of our youth, but when I have been able I have got on with my life as best I can. I took myself back to uni and am now having a baby. Many people in my situation would never be able to consider doing those things and so I am especially thankful for the support that I receive. I was not suggesting that people who have transplants should lead a monastic and eternally grateful existance afterwards. My point was that the guy I knew who had the transplant had a pretty flippant attitude to life before he became ill and nothing changed that. In one way, it's great that he should spend his life the way he wants. But in another way some people might see it that he took an opportunity from someone else who would have made more of it. His transplant took place more than 15 years ago and it's pretty certain that he would have stayed at the bottom of the priority list if he were waiting for a donor today. It's the whole George Best scenario. Anyway, as I said, I wasn't intending to offend you. Like the vast majority of people I can only comment from the perspective of an observer.
quote:Originally posted by Suzi-Q:
To be honest, it sounds like a bit of BNP propaganda to me.
Quite possibly or even probably.
Just like me to get suckered in without reading it all through
quote:One day, all by himself, he decided enough was enough, and stopped drinking
precisely..
There is NOTHING anyone can do.. not family, not friends, not the NHS, not AA, not The Priory. It has to come from the addict.. all other intervention is pointless unless the addict wants to quit.. when they want to quit, help/support is available. For some it comes in time for them to go on and live a life and for others (like this 22 year old guy) it never comes. With alcoholism, like most addictions, you have two roads: recovery or death.
quote:Originally posted by jennywren:quote:Originally posted by disley21:
If he'd been given it, and then wasted it, then you'd just have the argument that it could have gone to someone who would have made the most of that second chance in life...
Or it might have gone to a daredevil type who put their own life in danger. Should we really be so judgemental?
Life is precious.
When somebody gets given a second chance like this (and not everyone gets given that second chance due to simple supply and demand), and then wastes it by refusing to change their lifestyle, whatever that lifestyle is be it alcoholism or anything else, and it can be proven that their lifestyle will cause premature death, you then have to ask tough questions of whether it's right for people to waste scarce resources when they could be given to somebody who would use that second chance wisely and live a long life afterwards.
That may seem harsh, but hey, life can be harsh, especially to those who show little respect for it.