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I realise I'm going to be unpopular on this one but I'm going to say it anyway.

There are a few things about the theory that Siavash was telling her this information as friend which don't add up in my mind.

Firstly, he goes around telling Noirin and others that she is a user and abuser. This makes me doubt the sincerity of his friendship towards her.

Secondly, the protective information which he provided was proven to be lies.

We all saw him say with certainty that Kris and Karly had created the "rabbit" nickname for Noirin, and that if they're saying that, then the rest of Team Lisa will be as well.

When challenged to explain this information, for the longest part, he denied naming names AT ALL, and then finally conceded to a much more watered down version of what he'd said, specifically, that he "thinks" they call her a "rabbit".

No Siavash, you said that Kris and Karly had made and are using the nickname "rabbit" to describe Noirin.

The fact that his story changed so much, to me, is evidence that it was pure fiction in the first place!!

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Please stop telling the truth....nobody else is. But yes I totally agree. Siavash is my fave but it doesnt blinker me to the fact he lied his sorry ass off tonight.....bad move.

But it's all Noirin's fault. It just goes to show why the jury system is flawed. Smiler

If noirin hadnt challenged karly and kris she could have nominated the pair of them based on lies.
fz
Whether Siavash lied or you doubt his motivation for telling her I do take your point. Siavash told her reluctantly and did not want to name anyone she pressed him for info, he told her asking her not to repeat it and she promised not to repeat what he said..

No sooner as she was cosying up to Team nasty in the bedroom, she repeated it, to gain favour with them.

Very childish thing to do, IMO.

She has been gunning for Siavash for days, because he blew her gameplan wide open.
Senora Reyes
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Originally posted by fz:
Please stop telling the truth....nobody else is. But yes I totally agree. Siavash is my fave but it doesnt blinker me to the fact he lied his sorry ass off tonight.....bad move.

But it's all Noirin's fault. It just goes to show why the jury system is flawed. Smiler

If noirin hadnt challenged karly and kris she could have nominated the pair of them based on lies.


I also like Siavash, he's my second favourite. But people need to accept that on this occasion he was stirring the shit. And if he continues to do this (and I will be watching closely) then my support for him will begin to dwindle.
SpiderMonkey
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Originally posted by Ņ•ÏÎđ∂Ņ”ŅÐžÏƒÎ·ÐšŅ”Îģ:
I realise I'm going to be unpopular on this one but I'm going to say it anyway.

There are a few things about the theory that Siavash was telling her this information as friend which don't add up in my mind.

Firstly, he goes around telling Noirin and others that she is a user and abuser. This makes me doubt the sincerity of his friendship towards her.

Secondly, the protective information which he provided was proven to be lies.

We all saw him say with certainty that Kris and Karly had created the "rabbit" nickname for Noirin, and that if they're saying that, then the rest of Team Lisa will be as well.

When challenged to explain this information, for the longest part, he denied naming names AT ALL, and then finally conceded to a much more watered down version of what he'd said, specifically, that he "thinks" they call her a "rabbit".

No Siavash, you said that Kris and Karly had made and are using the nickname "rabbit" to describe Noirin.

The fact that his story changed so much, to me, is evidence that it was pure fiction in the first place!!


i agree with you, but freddie did the same and i don't see you in my fred Big Grin
Aimee
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Originally posted by Senora Reyes:
Whether Siavash lied or you doubt his motivation for telling her I do take your point. Siavash told her reluctantly and did not want to name anyone she pressed him for info, he told her asking her not to repeat it and she promised not to repeat what he said..

No sooner as she was cosying up to Team nasty in the bedroom, she repeated it, to gain favour with them.

Very childish thing to do, IMO.

She has been gunning for Siavash for days, because he blew her gameplan wide open.


So she had to continue her time in the BB house thinking that people who she thought were her friends are bitching behind her back, and she's lost the right to challenge them, just because Siavash asked her not to repeat it?

When you consider that what he'd told her was completely untruthful, it's perfectly obvious why he didn't want it repeating.
SpiderMonkey
Marcus pointed out to Noirin much later in the night that in between the normal malice and aggression on Karlys face she went bright red and looked worried when it argument headed in her direction. He felt that she was looking guilty about something and might well have said something along those lines.
The fact that Siavash buckled a little under intense pressure doesn't change the fact that Noirin promised twice not to repeat what he said then promptly went and did so.
captain marbles
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Originally posted by Ņ•ÏÎđ∂Ņ”ŅÐžÏƒÎ·ÐšŅ”Îģ:
quote:
Originally posted by Senora Reyes:
Whether Siavash lied or you doubt his motivation for telling her I do take your point. Siavash told her reluctantly and did not want to name anyone she pressed him for info, he told her asking her not to repeat it and she promised not to repeat what he said..

No sooner as she was cosying up to Team nasty in the bedroom, she repeated it, to gain favour with them.

Very childish thing to do, IMO.

She has been gunning for Siavash for days, because he blew her gameplan wide open.


So she had to continue her time in the BB house thinking that people who she thought were her friends are bitching behind her back, and she's lost the right to challenge them, just because Siavash asked her not to repeat it?

When you consider that what he'd told her was completely untruthful, it's perfectly obvious why he didn't want it repeating.


Once again I take your point, but it I still believe it was chilsish move on Noirin's part to discredit Siavash to the group, it's Noirin's style: She did it with Angel, Sree, Marcus now Siavash. And on this occasion I cannot sum up any support for her, as I believe she totally calculated that argument to suit her own ends.
Senora Reyes
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Originally posted by Senora Reyes:
Whether Siavash lied or you doubt his motivation for telling her I do take your point. Siavash told her reluctantly and did not want to name anyone she pressed him for info, he told her asking her not to repeat it and she promised not to repeat what he said..

No sooner as she was cosying up to Team nasty in the bedroom, she repeated it, to gain favour with them.

Very childish thing to do, IMO.

She has been gunning for Siavash for days, because he blew her gameplan wide open.



But his original claim the she was being called a rabbit was a lie.

Therefore she is quite entitled to question the others and she did not tell them who had told her. They worked it out.

Siavash continued lying and was joined by Freddie.
IP
he did lie and he tried to go all round the houses to avoid it

this resorted to calling them all dicks and he hated them all

how he never thought she was too be trusted is beyond me

I think whatever he meant to achieve by it do let her doubt kriss and karlys loyalty to her back fired on him

and he should not make things like that up to stir it up all wrong

he did look stupid the housemates will see it when they go,we all seen it

why did he say for gods sake or make it up
C
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Once again I take your point, but it I still believe it was chilsish move on Noirin's part to discredit Siavash to the group, it's Noirin's style: She did it with Angel, Sree, Marcus now Siavash. And on this occasion I cannot sum up any support for her, as I believe she totally calculated that argument to suit her own ends.



I don't think slavash is stupid enough to trust noirin either.
He knows what she like.
WILDER X
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Originally posted by inkas pal:
quote:
Originally posted by Senora Reyes:
Whether Siavash lied or you doubt his motivation for telling her I do take your point. Siavash told her reluctantly and did not want to name anyone she pressed him for info, he told her asking her not to repeat it and she promised not to repeat what he said..

No sooner as she was cosying up to Team nasty in the bedroom, she repeated it, to gain favour with them.

Very childish thing to do, IMO.

She has been gunning for Siavash for days, because he blew her gameplan wide open.



But his original claim the she was being called a rabbit was a lie.

Therefore she is quite entitled to question the others and she did not tell them who had told her. They worked it out.

Siavash continued lying and was joined by Freddie.


Not saying she is not entitled to question, my point is the way she went about it, and the motivation behind it.
Senora Reyes
quote:
Originally posted by Senora Reyes:
Whether Siavash lied or you doubt his motivation for telling her I do take your point. Siavash told her reluctantly and did not want to name anyone she pressed him for info, he told her asking her not to repeat it and she promised not to repeat what he said..

No sooner as she was cosying up to Team nasty in the bedroom, she repeated it, to gain favour with them.

Very childish thing to do, IMO.

She has been gunning for Siavash for days, because he blew her gameplan wide open.


No. She blew his gameplan wide open Hug
carotino
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Originally posted by carotino:
quote:
Originally posted by Senora Reyes:
Whether Siavash lied or you doubt his motivation for telling her I do take your point. Siavash told her reluctantly and did not want to name anyone she pressed him for info, he told her asking her not to repeat it and she promised not to repeat what he said..

No sooner as she was cosying up to Team nasty in the bedroom, she repeated it, to gain favour with them.

Very childish thing to do, IMO.

She has been gunning for Siavash for days, because he blew her gameplan wide open.


No. She blew his gameplan wide open Hug


I guess we see it differently. Hug
Senora Reyes
His gameplan, his lies, whatever you want to call it, was to earn Kris (assuming he survived this week) and Karly an extra nomination next week courtesy of a manipulated Noirin, which is technically influencing nominations.

It kinda reminded me a bit of Nasty Nick from BB1, who was employing "he said, she said" gameplan as well. History repeated itself last night, because once again that style of gameplan backfired, as so often seems to be the case.
SpiderMonkey
I think Siavash has a huge sense of his own importance and enjoys holding court and revealing his wisdom. He calculates that his moral stance on never repeating that told to him in confidence, makes him appear to others a safe leader, whose group will survive against those seen as less worthy.

Unfortunately, he chose to try to recruit a gobby cow, who has no problem betraying people and breaking promises, when she feels righteous indignation!

Silly man! Glance
Blizz'ard

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