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Originally posted by Tequila:

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Originally posted by inkas pal:
BB was originally designed as a social experiment.

There is an irony in that when considering the comments on here about tonights show.

People are excusing, interpreting, justifying and doing back flips because they can't bring themselves to admit the basic truth - Siavash and Freddie were outed as liars.

It is straight forward and even a primary school kid could spot it.

However, the ego of fm's who have identified their support for Siavash/Freddie will not permit them to accept the obvious fact that they both lied.

So ego becomes more important than recognising when people are lying because fans don't want to lose face.

As I said BB was initially a social experiment.

It provides interesting and potentially dangerous indicators on how we see and don't want to see what's right in front of us.

But isnt that what you're doing? You don't KNOW the truth because we havent been shown it yet you're accusing both Siavash and Freddie of lies and therefore BB has manipulated you into thinking you know the "basic truth"

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Originally posted by Mathematics:

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Originally posted by Aimee:
don't like to say this but noirin was right and siavash, marcus and freddie lied

Noirin promised Siavash that she would not repeat what he told her. He actually said "You have to promise me that you will not speak about this to anyone", and she agreed wholeheartedly.

Then what did she do? She scampered to the bedroom and repeated what Siavash had told her. That makes her a liar too.

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Originally posted by JacksonB:

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Originally posted by Mathematics:

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Originally posted by Aimee:
don't like to say this but noirin was right and siavash, marcus and freddie lied

Noirin promised Siavash that she would not repeat what he told her. He actually said "You have to promise me that you will not speak about this to anyone", and she agreed wholeheartedly.

Then what did she do? She scampered to the bedroom and repeated what Siavash had told her. That makes her a liar too.

no, she didn't , she went to the bedroom to ask if any of them had called her a bunny, was all quite good natured, they assumed it was marcus who had said it, siavash came in and dropped himself in it, noirin hadn't told them

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Originally posted by Bethni:

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Originally posted by JacksonB:

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Originally posted by Mathematics:

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Originally posted by Aimee:
don't like to say this but noirin was right and siavash, marcus and freddie lied

Noirin promised Siavash that she would not repeat what he told her. He actually said "You have to promise me that you will not speak about this to anyone", and she agreed wholeheartedly.

Then what did she do? She scampered to the bedroom and repeated what Siavash had told her. That makes her a liar too.

no, she didn't , she went to the bedroom to ask if any of them had called her a bunny, was all quite good natured, they assumed it was marcus who had said it, siavash came in and dropped himself in it, noirin hadn't told them

Jackson she still repeated it...she didn't give the name but she said it. Lisa and co knew it had to be one of the three amigo's...so Noirin knew what she was doing.Siavash didn't ask her not to mention his name, he asked her to promise not to repeat it, which she did.

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Originally posted by Blizzie:
It's like the Dogface, Kris, Marcus discussion earlier.

It went from Marcus saying that people could say that Dogface is boring.

Kris saying that they could think she hasn't done a lot.

Then Marcus saying to Dogface that Kris said that she was quiet.

Dogface getting the hump.

Marcus forgetting that he said it first. (but boring, rather than quiet)

And then Kris claiming that he just agreed with Marcus.

Who was lying, or were they just mistaken?

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Siavash, Freddie and Marcus wanted Noirin to pitch camp in their Team. She made it clear that she wanted non-alignment. Siavash tempts here with the inducement that she is safer with them because the others are calling her a rabbit and names Kris and Karly as having told him.

Noirin confronts the others without divulging the source. Eventually Siavish lies and is followed by Freddie lying.

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Originally posted by JacksonB:

i was watching that and i had thought kris had said' people may think she doesn't do much,' and marcus agreed.


but who knows....

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Originally posted by inkas pal:
Conversely others might want to ignore the obvious because it is unsettling to know that the hm who they have taken as a favourite is being exposed as a liar.

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Originally posted by inkas pal:

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Originally posted by Tequila:

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Originally posted by inkas pal:
BB was originally designed as a social experiment.

There is an irony in that when considering the comments on here about tonights show.

People are excusing, interpreting, justifying and doing back flips because they can't bring themselves to admit the basic truth - Siavash and Freddie were outed as liars.

It is straight forward and even a primary school kid could spot it.

However, the ego of fm's who have identified their support for Siavash/Freddie will not permit them to accept the obvious fact that they both lied.

So ego becomes more important than recognising when people are lying because fans don't want to lose face.

As I said BB was initially a social experiment.

It provides interesting and potentially dangerous indicators on how we see and don't want to see what's right in front of us.

But isnt that what you're doing? You don't KNOW the truth because we havent been shown it yet you're accusing both Siavash and Freddie of lies and therefore BB has manipulated you into thinking you know the "basic truth"

Conversely others might want to ignore the obvious because it is unsettling to know that the hm who they have taken as a favourite is being exposed as a liar.

Siavash, Freddie and Marcus wanted Noirin to pitch camp in their Team. She made it clear that she wanted non-alignment. Siavash tempts here with the inducement that she is safer with them because the others are calling her a rabbit and names Kris and Karly as having told him.

Noirin confronts the others without divulging the source. Eventually Siavish lies and is followed by Freddie lying.

That is clearly what we all saw on tonights show. However, because people have identified with Siavash and/or Freddie it is troubling to admit that they lied.

Therefore the fans of Siavash/Freddie have difficulty in accepting that their 'hero' is a liar.

Consequently their ego obstructs them accepting that Siavash/Freddie lied.

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yes thank you, i thought i must have been seeing and hearing things, but they did, cant remember when though, every day is the same to me

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Conversely others might want to ignore the obvious because it is unsettling to know that the hm who they have taken as a favourite is being exposed as a liar.

Siavash, Freddie and Marcus wanted Noirin to pitch camp in their Team. She made it clear that she wanted non-alignment. Siavash tempts here with the inducement that she is safer with them because the others are calling her a rabbit and names Kris and Karly as having told him.

Noirin confronts the others without divulging the source. Eventually Siavish lies and is followed by Freddie lying.

That is clearly what we all saw on tonights show. However, because people have identified with Siavash and/or Freddie it is troubling to admit that they lied.

Therefore the fans of Siavash/Freddie have difficulty in accepting that their 'hero' is a liar.

Consequently their ego obstructs them accepting that Siavash/Freddie lied.

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Originally posted by rusticana:

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Conversely others might want to ignore the obvious because it is unsettling to know that the hm who they have taken as a favourite is being exposed as a liar.

Siavash, Freddie and Marcus wanted Noirin to pitch camp in their Team. She made it clear that she wanted non-alignment. Siavash tempts here with the inducement that she is safer with them because the others are calling her a rabbit and names Kris and Karly as having told him.

Noirin confronts the others without divulging the source. Eventually Siavish lies and is followed by Freddie lying.

That is clearly what we all saw on tonights show. However, because people have identified with Siavash and/or Freddie it is troubling to admit that they lied.

Therefore the fans of Siavash/Freddie have difficulty in accepting that their 'hero' is a liar.

Consequently their ego obstructs them accepting that Siavash/Freddie lied.

'She made it clear that she wanted non-alignment' The whole discussion started because Noirin said she was at at 'crossroads' and didn't know which way to go.

Siavash DID NOT say two names - he said four names and Marcus added that the whole thing was being driven by the fifth.

It was a calculated move by Noirin - she did not run to the bedroom straight away - She was in the Kitchen when she took exception to Siavash saying that they would not be friends outside the house - then she started shouting for Karly and Kris and the whole row started.

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Originally posted by cinderella123:

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FZ i agree with you in theory but Kris DID actually call Noirin a rabbit. In a conversation in the garden last week he told Karly Noirin was like a rabbit flitting from group to group, Karly agreed with him.

This is true!!!! Siavash was trying to help and make her aware, she runs and tells everyone and they both deny it. Perhaps they did not remember saying it but we do. Siavash did not lie.

And I think Marcus and Freddie did just want to be dragged into the whole mess and tried to stay away from it for as long as they could.

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Originally posted by shar69:
makes no difference. Most FM's don't seem to be looking at this objectively. Their hate for Noirin will dictate their opinion on it.

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Originally posted by ~LEE~:

Sad thing is he did lie....He lied when he said he enever mentioned ANY names when he did...As for Freddie he best see a doc as according to him he was in the loo when the names were said...He was sat right there beside Noirin what was he doing having a piddle in the chair

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Originally posted by Joods:

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Originally posted by ~LEE~:

Sad thing is he did lie....He lied when he said he enever mentioned ANY names when he did...As for Freddie he best see a doc as according to him he was in the loo when the names were said...He was sat right there beside Noirin what was he doing having a piddle in the chair

The instances you are quoting were a long time apart. Freddy was referring to an incident in the garden at the actual time Karly & co. actually DID say Noirin flitted from group to group like a rabbit. THAT'S when he was in the loo and Siavash overheard it as did I and anyone else watching at the time.

The lie Siavash told last night was so justified! If someone betrays a strict confidence you shared with them, you lie about it... especially when used against you in such a manipulative way!

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Originally posted by ~LEE~:

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Originally posted by Joods:

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Originally posted by ~LEE~:

Sad thing is he did lie....He lied when he said he enever mentioned ANY names when he did...As for Freddie he best see a doc as according to him he was in the loo when the names were said...He was sat right there beside Noirin what was he doing having a piddle in the chair

The instances you are quoting were a long time apart. Freddy was referring to an incident in the garden at the actual time Karly & co. actually DID say Noirin flitted from group to group like a rabbit. THAT'S when he was in the loo and Siavash overheard it as did I and anyone else watching at the time.

The lie Siavash told last night was so justified! If someone betrays a strict confidence you shared with them, you lie about it... especially when used against you in such a manipulative way!

Freedy said he never heard Saviash say any names he was in the loo....Wrong...He was sat there beside her with Saviash and Marcus...Over and over Noirin told him he was sat right there and as we saw indeed he was....There was a lot of manipulation afoot it backfired in a big way....I loathe lies and tbh if I'd been stood there in her shoes having Freddy and Saviash tell bare faced lies I'd have been foaming at the mouth.

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Originally posted by ~LEE~:

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Originally posted by Joods:

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Originally posted by ~LEE~:

Sad thing is he did lie....He lied when he said he enever mentioned ANY names when he did...As for Freddie he best see a doc as according to him he was in the loo when the names were said...He was sat right there beside Noirin what was he doing having a piddle in the chair

The instances you are quoting were a long time apart. Freddy was referring to an incident in the garden at the actual time Karly & co. actually DID say Noirin flitted from group to group like a rabbit. THAT'S when he was in the loo and Siavash overheard it as did I and anyone else watching at the time.

The lie Siavash told last night was so justified! If someone betrays a strict confidence you shared with them, you lie about it... especially when used against you in such a manipulative way!

Freedy said he never heard Saviash say any names he was in the loo....Wrong...He was sat there beside her with Saviash and Marcus...Over and over Noirin told him he was sat right there and as we saw indeed he was....There was a lot of manipulation afoot it backfired in a big way....I loathe lies and tbh if I'd been stood there in her shoes having Freddy and Saviash tell bare faced lies I'd have been foaming at the mouth.

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Originally posted by Jenny:
Although I can't recall the exact incident, I am sure I have heard them say that about Noirin at some time. I can't remember them actually saying rabbit, but the fact that she goes from group to group.

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Originally posted by Aimee:
don't like to say this but noirin was right and siavash, marcus and freddie lied

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Originally posted by Bojangles:
It was all to do with the editing.