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I can absolutely understand the yearning for a child, however, in achieving this she'll be bringing a child into the world with an increased likelihood of the child being orphaned.

But then would you think the same of a woman who had a life limiting disease, but still wanted kids?

Yes I would.

Even knowing they had a dad,grandparent,family,etc, that could raise the child??And may even be a comfort to the family after you'd gone??

As I am now, I can't imagine how devastated my daughter would be if I were gone. She would fall to pieces. Yes there would family around to look after her which I would appreciate, but she needs me and that's the way I look at it. If I knew that I'd be too ill to look after a child I wouldn't have one. I know there aren't any guarantees but if I had a choice in the beginning, I would be thinking about how that child will cope without me.

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Snap. My friend has MS and had ivf she has beautful twin girls now. But she is paying the toll now health wise. But the smile on her face and her girls(she has an older girl as well) faces is the best thing ever.She's not one to be told what she can and can't do.

Aww!

Why can't she adopt a child that is maybe 10 or so? Plenty of kids needs loving homes.

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Before the pill some women would have conceived in their forties and fifties and life expectancy was about 70 years old, so it's not much different, is it?

Never known one single woman EVER to conceive 'naturally' in the 50s.

Well, it's much rarer now, as we have contraception, but it used to be the norm for some women to conceive at such an age.

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Why can't she adopt a child that is maybe 10 or so? Plenty of kids needs loving homes.

She probably wouldn't be allowed, but there is a natural drive to produce our own offspring. I blame Darwin!

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Of course not.. and what would this forum be without differing opinions huh..

Very true. Thanks Tupps This has been hard work LOL! But fun, and interesting.... a good debate livens up the boards, but it prevents my washing and housework from being done .. I have been on here 3 hours!!!

Well I still stand by all my views and opinions and everyone who disagrees can sod off out of my thread.

Just kidding.

Seriously, I respect everyone's views, even if I disagree with them. I know quite a few people here agree with me on this one, (according to the poll results,) but there are still a few who disagree, (Blizzie, hotpants helen, Tupps, and several more...) and they have put forward worthwhile debates, and some interesting and valid points.

If I offended anyone or came across as a bit arsey, then I apologise, but debates can get heated, and sometimes I blurt out in the heat of the moment, and come across as a bit shouty. So if I did, I am sorry

Have a great day everyone, I SO HAVE TO GO NOW!!! My hubby is home at 2pm, so I better do some housework and make it look like I have been on it since 9am

Hugs to everyone.. those who agree with me, those who don't, and those who aren't sure

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Originally posted by Girlrider29:

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Originally posted by Blizzie:

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Originally posted by Girlrider29:
I can absolutely understand the yearning for a child, however, in achieving this she'll be bringing a child into the world with an increased likelihood of the child being orphaned.

But then would you think the same of a woman who had a life limiting disease, but still wanted kids?

Yes I would.

Even knowing they had a dad,grandparent,family,etc, that could raise the child??And may even be a comfort to the family after you'd gone??

As I am now, I can't imagine how devastated my daughter would be if I were gone. She would fall to pieces. Yes there would family around to look after her which I would appreciate, but she needs me and that's the way I look at it. If I knew that I'd be too ill to look after a child I wouldn't have one. I know there aren't any guarantees but if I had a choice in the beginning, I would be thinking about how that child will cope without me.

I can understand that,but I'm thinking that maybe both parents decided to proceed with the pregnancy despite this.
And all pregnancies are a risk.I ended up in ITU after my son was born and it was touch and go for me.But I know their dad would have done a great job of rasing the kids without me.

Maybe it's just me, but I think my kids would do alright without me!

Bye CP!

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Maybe it's just me, but I think my kids would do alright without me!

LOL, no they wouldn't Silly billy! Anyhoo, gotta go now, thanks for the debate folks, and as I said, I respect everyone's views even if I disagree, and I am sorry if anyone was offended by anything I said,.... byeeeeeeeee

Take care everyone....

Tra CP

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Tra CP

I blame Davina and L'Oreal

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I blame Davina and L'Oreal

Good call!

Oooh they're talking about this on Loose Women!!

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Oooh they're talking about this on Loose Women!!

Oh 'eck..

please don't let that Hewson woman think like me...

if she wants a baby let her ,, if she is fit and well why not?

do we know if she has any other kid s?

I've read through this thread, but haven't read about this anywhere else - I assume it was a donor egg? So donor egg, donor sperm? Hmmmm, I shall google and read her story.

Most of my family were a bit horrified when I told them that I was pregnant at 38. They're all ok about it but there is a sense that they think I should have done this 10 years ago like 'normal' people, as my mum so tactfully put it. I never had a major urge to have kids, I just had a bit of a 'pang' in November, casually mentioned to hubby that we should see what happened and much to our surprise, I ended up pregnant 24 hours later. I've had plenty of soul searching about my pregnancy which is largely related to my age and health. I worry about whether I'll have the energy to cope with a young family, whether I'll be able to give my child a sibling, how the child will feel about having older parents. I do now realise that it's no longer considered extra-ordinary to have kids at my age and there are certain benefits to being an older parent. We're more financially secure, more emotionally stable, I've been with my hubby for 17 years, we've done the things in life we wanted to do for ourselves, and I'm much calmer and more patient than I was when I was younger. But I just don't think that this woman is doing the right thing by the child.
Yes, I know that her baby is wanted and will be loved, unlike many. Yes, she has financial security, but if I was a child of four, would I want a mother in her 70's? No. I understand that lot's of children are raised by loving grandparents. I knew kids who were brought up by grandparents (including myself for a short while in the late 1970's), and while we were fed, clothed and to be fair, loved, it really wasn't an ideal set up. The fact is that they just don't have the energy or understanding of younger parents. I know that life is unpredictable and rarely conforms to the ideal, there are lots of sad situations where younger parents die, or are unable to cope. But I do think that at 66, this woman should have given more consideration to addressing the needs and feelings of a child rather than herself. IVF has been around for over 25 years, she could surely have accessed the treatment in her 40's and if she'd been unable to conceive after maybe five years, she could have adopted.

I'm totally opposed to women having children in their 50's, never mind their 60's.

It's ridiculous that she was given the treatment.

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I'm totally opposed to women having children in their 50's, never mind their 60's.

It's ridiculous that she was given the treatment.

Absolutely agree. If it happens naturally, then so be it but obviously it can't so there should be no interference from unscrupulous medics who probably make a fortune from these sad selfish women.

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How many women have you ever known who conceived 'naturally' past the age of 45???

When I was in hospital having my first child 36 years ago, there were two women, both 50 years old and both having their first child. This was before IVF and both women conceived naturally without any medical or surgical intervention.

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My aunt was 47 when she had my cousin and that was 25 years ago.
Women are staying fertile longer so it's possible a lady in her early 50s could concieve.
Whether or not they can carry the baby to term is another question tho.

I have never known anyone conceive naturally past 43, but that's just me... I guess it's possible a woman could conceive at 47, and if nature made that happen... fine, but 66 is a totally different kettle of fish. It's a GENERATION older. And as she is actively choosing to do it; it's crazy.

My mother conceived my youngest sister at the ago of 45. Naturally. That was 56 years ago.

I think it would be extremely difficult for a parent of 80 to talk to a teenager about teenage things. I'm also guessing they would have almost zero understanding of that world.

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How many women have you ever known who conceived 'naturally' past the age of 45???

When I was in hospital having my first child 36 years ago, there were two women, both 50 years old and both having their first child. This was before IVF and both women conceived naturally without any medical or surgical intervention.

I am 56 and still have all the 'facilities' to conceive, not that I'd ever want to.

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Originally posted by Irish-Princess:
Why can't she adopt a child that is maybe 10 or so? Plenty of kids needs loving homes.

She probably wouldn't be allowed, but there is a natural drive to produce our own offspring. I blame Darwin!

Is he the dad?

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66 year old woman pregnant!

That Alfie Patten sure gets about