Is that all?

Should have been for the rest of their miserable lives.

19 years? Sod that...

I've known the Kinsella family for a good portion of 18yrs now including Ben and that is disgusting

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Originally posted by Liverpoollass:
Is that all?

Should have been for the rest of their miserable lives.

Thats the minimum they can serve. They could spend longer in prison. In this day and age for this country thats a good result.

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Originally posted by longcat:

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Originally posted by Liverpoollass:
Is that all?

Should have been for the rest of their miserable lives.

Thats the minimum they can serve. They could spend longer in prison. In this day and age for this country thats a good result.

It is better than I thought they would get. Well, let us hope that they don't serve the minimum, but are there for the rest of their lives.

Life should mean life.
Hope the yorkshire ripper never released either.

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Originally posted by Liverpoollass:

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Originally posted by longcat:

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Originally posted by Liverpoollass:
Is that all?

Should have been for the rest of their miserable lives.

Thats the minimum they can serve. They could spend longer in prison. In this day and age for this country thats a good result.

It is better than I thought they would get. Well, let us hope that they don't serve the minimum, but are there for the rest of their lives.

I hope your right.

I can't believe that a life sentence can be so little - those animals should have got a MINIMUM of 30/35 years. They'll probably be out in 10/15 and young enough to murder some other poor sap

Does anyone know how long those two monsters got for the torture and killing of those French students? I don't think it was very much, because the Court of Appeal (or whoever it is), are trying to get the sentence increased.

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Originally posted by Pengy:
I can't believe that a life sentence can be so little - those animals should have got a MINIMUM of 30/35 years. They'll probably be out in 10/15 and young enough to murder some other poor sap

People have walked out of court with smaller sentences for the same crime. I am amazed that got that long.

19 years minimum is not a bad sentence, for society, in the scheme of things. They'll be on licence for the rest of their lives too. Turds, all three of them. It must be daunting, thinking they'll be spending a similar amount of time in prison to their entire memory of life so far and then some, and getting released when they're starting middle-age. No sex too in all that time. Unless, well, soap can be quite slippery, can't it?

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Originally posted by Liverpoollass:
Does anyone know how long those two monsters got for the torture and killing of those French students? I don't think it was very much, because the Court of Appeal (or whoever it is), are trying to get the sentence increased.

I thought it was a minimum of 30-odd years but perhaps I'm mistaken.

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Originally posted by Daniel J*:

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Originally posted by Liverpoollass:
Does anyone know how long those two monsters got for the torture and killing of those French students? I don't think it was very much, because the Court of Appeal (or whoever it is), are trying to get the sentence increased.

I thought it was a minimum of 30-odd years but perhaps I'm mistaken.

"They both received life sentences, with Sonnex ordered to serve at least 40 years and Farmer at least 35 years."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_...d/london/8095987.stm

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Originally posted by Daniel J*:

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Originally posted by Liverpoollass:
Does anyone know how long those two monsters got for the torture and killing of those French students? I don't think it was very much, because the Court of Appeal (or whoever it is), are trying to get the sentence increased.

I thought it was a minimum of 30-odd years but perhaps I'm mistaken.

Ahh I wasn't sure because their parents (understandably) have said it was a pitiful sentence and I assumed it was something like what Ben's killers have just got.

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Originally posted by Daniel J*:

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Originally posted by Daniel J*:

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Originally posted by Liverpoollass:
Does anyone know how long those two monsters got for the torture and killing of those French students? I don't think it was very much, because the Court of Appeal (or whoever it is), are trying to get the sentence increased.

I thought it was a minimum of 30-odd years but perhaps I'm mistaken.

"They both received life sentences, with Sonnex ordered to serve at least 40 years and Farmer at least 35 years."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_...d/london/8095987.stm

Thanks DJ

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Originally posted by Liverpoollass:

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Originally posted by Daniel J*:

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Originally posted by Daniel J*:

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Originally posted by Liverpoollass:
Does anyone know how long those two monsters got for the torture and killing of those French students? I don't think it was very much, because the Court of Appeal (or whoever it is), are trying to get the sentence increased.

I thought it was a minimum of 30-odd years but perhaps I'm mistaken.

"They both received life sentences, with Sonnex ordered to serve at least 40 years and Farmer at least 35 years."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_...d/london/8095987.stm

Thanks DJ

It stuck in my mind because I remember thinking that it was more like what people expect for a sentence for murder. Obviously their murder circumstances were very exceptional. The expectation ought to be that they ought not to be let out at all, in my opinion. And that's from a girly liberal!

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Originally posted by Daniel J*:

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Originally posted by Daniel J*:

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Originally posted by Liverpoollass:
Does anyone know how long those two monsters got for the torture and killing of those French students? I don't think it was very much, because the Court of Appeal (or whoever it is), are trying to get the sentence increased.

I thought it was a minimum of 30-odd years but perhaps I'm mistaken.

"They both received life sentences, with Sonnex ordered to serve at least 40 years and Farmer at least 35 years."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_...d/london/8095987.stm

now that at least is a sentence worth giving! As for Ben's killers, they will have a certain notoriaty inside which means they will probably have it easy.

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Originally posted by Pengy:
now that at least is a sentence worth giving! As for Ben's killers, they will have a certain notoriaty inside which means they will probably have it easy.

Believe me, they wont...

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Originally posted by Pengy:

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Originally posted by Daniel J*:

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Originally posted by Daniel J*:

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Originally posted by Liverpoollass:
Does anyone know how long those two monsters got for the torture and killing of those French students? I don't think it was very much, because the Court of Appeal (or whoever it is), are trying to get the sentence increased.

I thought it was a minimum of 30-odd years but perhaps I'm mistaken.

"They both received life sentences, with Sonnex ordered to serve at least 40 years and Farmer at least 35 years."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_...d/london/8095987.stm

now that at least is a sentence worth giving! As for Ben's killers, they will have a certain notoriaty inside which means they will probably have it easy.

They have already recieved threats.

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Originally posted by Dean0Mac:

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Originally posted by Pengy:
now that at least is a sentence worth giving! As for Ben's killers, they will have a certain notoriaty inside which means they will probably have it easy.

Believe me, they wont...

Having previously worked in the prison service as a forensic occupational therapist I know that a lot of prisoners that commit crimes that gain a certain notoriaty - those prisoners usually end up being "top dog" or at least challenge for the top place and 9 times out of 10 are successful. If they are a cop-killer - they are almost certainly guaranteed respect from other inmates.

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Originally posted by Pengy:

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Originally posted by Dean0Mac:

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Originally posted by Pengy:
now that at least is a sentence worth giving! As for Ben's killers, they will have a certain notoriaty inside which means they will probably have it easy.

Believe me, they wont...

Having previously worked in the prison service as a forensic occupational therapist I know that a lot of prisoners that commit crimes that gain a certain notoriaty - those prisoners usually end up being "top dog" or at least challenge for the top place and 9 times out of 10 are successful. If they are a cop-killer - they are almost certainly guaranteed respect from other inmates.

Oh no, I agree in that sense.

But as someone who has known Ben, his friends and family for pretty much his whole life... I know there will be people in that prison who want to hurt them more than congratulate them.

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Originally posted by Pengy:

Having previously worked in the prison service as a forensic occupational therapist I know that a lot of prisoners that commit crimes that gain a certain notoriaty - those prisoners usually end up being "top dog" or at least challenge for the top place and 9 times out of 10 are successful. If they are a cop-killer - they are almost certainly guaranteed respect from other inmates.

I think you are right, but there are also some crimes that even those inside, draw the line at and give the perpertrator a touch of his own medicine.

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Originally posted by longcat:
They have already recieved threats.

I'd expect that but whether those threats turn into an incident remains to be seen - usually it's nonces that do attacks on prisoners such as Ian Huntley (paedophiles or kid killers) so that they can go into genpop.

If they were to be attacked it would be because someone is trying to gain status!

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Originally posted by Dean0Mac:

Oh no, I agree in that sense.

But as someone who has known Ben, his friends and family for pretty much his whole life... I know there will be people in that prison who want to hurt them more than congratulate them.

I can understand that as well Dean. It's such a tragic waste of a young man's life because some thugs think he disrespected him. I really can't understand why life has become so cheap and how people can just stab another human being without batting an eyelid I really feel for his family.

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Originally posted by Pengy:

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Originally posted by Dean0Mac:

Oh no, I agree in that sense.

But as someone who has known Ben, his friends and family for pretty much his whole life... I know there will be people in that prison who want to hurt them more than congratulate them.

I can understand that as well Dean. It's such a tragic waste of a young man's life because some thugs think he disrespected him. I really can't understand why life has become so cheap and how people can just stab another human being without batting an eyelid I really feel for his family.

I know, tell me about it. It sickens me to my stomach to think about how these boys can just do that... I was not around on the weekend it had happened but when I heard about it on the news I honestly thought I was hearing things.

I know people say "Oh, he didn't do anything wrong surely. He can't have" when someone they're close to or know is killed in this way but with Ben it would have been and was the absolute truth. These guys did this out of pure hatred and malice and that is bloody disturbing.

But, as I say... As much as Ben was one of the nicest people you could ever hope to meet in this generation I can say there'll be people who wont let these individuals get away with what they've done by hiding in a prison.