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Originally posted by ~Orchid~:
I think it is a good idea to have compulsory vaccinations. I think we have the measles epidemic back now because people have refused to take up the measles jab on the miniscule chance that their child may become Autisic as result of having a combined vaccine.

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Originally posted by Big Brothers Big Scam:

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Originally posted by ~Orchid~:
I think it is a good idea to have compulsory vaccinations. I think we have the measles epidemic back now because people have refused to take up the measles jab on the miniscule chance that their child may become Autisic as result of having a combined vaccine.

thats true and the reason that the measles jab should be available on its own, its the fact that to many its mmr or nothing and some consider even if the risk is minuscule any child is too precious to risk.

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Originally posted by Big Brothers Big Scam:

but that isnt what you said, you said inoculated or not.

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Originally posted by Yogi 19:

It is the compulsory element of this proposal which concerns me, Veggie. The suggestion that parents, who failed to comply, would be refused a place for their child at a state school, seems very wrong, to me.

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Originally posted by The Singing Ringing Tree:
My children get all the injections they should. I have to declare my bias. A member my family is dead because of measiles in childhood. It is a killer.

The man who spread all the lies about the MMR will burn in hell. He did it for perosnal profit and has been discredited.

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* There has never been a programme of giving single vaccines against measles, mumps and rubella in the UK.

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Originally posted by ~Orchid~:
The Government are only introducing the 'compulsory' element because there has been little uptake of the injection where parents are given a choice.

Three single vaccines, I suspect, are ruled out because of cost.

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Originally posted by Veggieburger:

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Originally posted by ~Orchid~:
The Government are only introducing the 'compulsory' element because there has been little uptake of the injection where parents are given a choice.

Three single vaccines, I suspect, are ruled out because of cost.

Yeah hun but you have to ask, if there is a low takeup then why is this??
If parents are unhappy or suspicious of the MMR jab then really they should offer the single doses.
I would suspect that the main problem with cost is that the drug company supplying the jabs have swelled the coffers of the political party concerned.

I have friends whose child had a bad reaction at 3 months old to a whooping cough jab. The childrens ward at Harlow hospital was stuffed to the gills with other babies who were also ill because of that jab. Now it may have just been a faulty batch, or maybe the health visitors etc didn't store it right - who knows.
But that beautiful little boy was never right afterwards and was diagnosed at 2 years old as severely autistic. He is now 16 and will never have the chance of a normal life.
He is not the only one of those children who were in the hospital to be diagnosed with autism.
Coincidence - I don't think so.

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Originally posted by ~Orchid~:

Hi hun, I've already said that the government should offer single doses-read back. I just mentioned cost. Personally, I don't feel there is enough evidence to support the hypothesis that the 3in1 vaccine is an actual cause of Autism and the jab you mention in your friends tragic case was allegedly caused because of the whooping cough jab.

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Originally posted by Blizzie:
It's not just about cost. The combined vaccine had proved more effective. Parents do forget, or can't be bothered, to go back for more vaccinations and some children, who can't be vaccinated for medical reasons, are left vulnerable because of scare stories, started by money grabbing tossers and whipped up by an hysterical media.

I had no problem in deciding on the MMR vaccine. Andrew Wakefield is a disgrace.

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Originally posted by Blizzie:
It's not just about cost. The combined vaccine had proved more effective. Parents do forget, or can't be bothered, to go back for more vaccinations and some children, who can't be vaccinated for medical reasons, are left vulnerable because of scare stories, started by money grabbing tossers and whipped up by an hysterical media.

I had no problem in deciding on the MMR vaccine. Andrew Wakefield is a disgrace.

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Originally posted by ~Orchid~:

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Originally posted by Blizzie:
It's not just about cost. The combined vaccine had proved more effective. Parents do forget, or can't be bothered, to go back for more vaccinations and some children, who can't be vaccinated for medical reasons, are left vulnerable because of scare stories, started by money grabbing tossers and whipped up by an hysterical media.

I had no problem in deciding on the MMR vaccine. Andrew Wakefield is a disgrace.

My relative had his MMR right in the middle of the scare stories. His mum was terrified but decided it was best in the long run. He is fine but there have been several of his friends who've not had the vaccine and now ill with mumps and measles. You are right Andrew Wakefield should be getting sued. He is a disgrace.

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Originally posted by Big Brothers Big Scam:

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Originally posted by ~Orchid~:

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Originally posted by Blizzie:
It's not just about cost. The combined vaccine had proved more effective. Parents do forget, or can't be bothered, to go back for more vaccinations and some children, who can't be vaccinated for medical reasons, are left vulnerable because of scare stories, started by money grabbing tossers and whipped up by an hysterical media.

I had no problem in deciding on the MMR vaccine. Andrew Wakefield is a disgrace.

My relative had his MMR right in the middle of the scare stories. His mum was terrified but decided it was best in the long run. He is fine but there have been several of his friends who've not had the vaccine and now ill with mumps and measles. You are right Andrew Wakefield should be getting sued. He is a disgrace.

its still no reason to prevent parents who dont want the triple vaccination from getting singles just so it fills the coffers of one drug company, it doesnt even matter if the fears are unfounded or the risks minute, the risks of not having a vaccination are higher.

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Originally posted by The Singing Ringing Tree:
My children get all the injections they should. I have to declare my bias. A member my family is dead because of measiles in childhood. It is a killer.

The man who spread all the lies about the MMR will burn in hell. He did it for perosnal profit and has been discredited.

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Originally posted by Yogi 19:
Thank you for your replies.
My three sons had every available vaccination but the idea of making it compulsory doesn`t sit well with me.

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Originally posted by Demantoid:
I don't have kids, but I remember very well how it was normal to catch measles when I was little.
Nobody made a fuss about it, either. In fact, some parents used to deliberately send their kids round to play with someone with measles, mumps, chicken pox etc, so they could catch them and get it out of the way.

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Originally posted by joyron:

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Originally posted by Demantoid:
I don't have kids, but I remember very well how it was normal to catch measles when I was little.
Nobody made a fuss about it, either. In fact, some parents used to deliberately send their kids round to play with someone with measles, mumps, chicken pox etc, so they could catch them and get it out of the way.

I remember it well!! However I will go along with MMR as long as it can be done in single doses!!!

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Originally posted by Demantoid:
I don't have kids, but I remember very well how it was normal to catch measles when I was little.
Nobody made a fuss about it, either. In fact, some parents used to deliberately send their kids round to play with someone with measles, mumps, chicken pox etc, so they could catch them and get it out of the way.

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Originally posted by The Singing Ringing Tree:

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Originally posted by Blizzie:
It's not just about cost. The combined vaccine had proved more effective. Parents do forget, or can't be bothered, to go back for more vaccinations and some children, who can't be vaccinated for medical reasons, are left vulnerable because of scare stories, started by money grabbing tossers and whipped up by an hysterical media.

I had no problem in deciding on the MMR vaccine. Andrew Wakefield is a disgrace.

I agree.

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Originally posted by Blizzie:
It's not just about cost. The combined vaccine had proved more effective. Parents do forget, or can't be bothered, to go back for more vaccinations and some children, who can't be vaccinated for medical reasons, are left vulnerable because of scare stories, started by money grabbing tossers and whipped up by an hysterical media.

I had no problem in deciding on the MMR vaccine. Andrew Wakefield is a disgrace.

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Originally posted by Bigdaddyostrich:

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Originally posted by Demantoid:
I don't have kids, but I remember very well how it was normal to catch measles when I was little.
Nobody made a fuss about it, either. In fact, some parents used to deliberately send their kids round to play with someone with measles, mumps, chicken pox etc, so they could catch them and get it out of the way.

surely better not to have to have the nasty things at all?

Some key facts about the diseases and the MMR vaccine:

* The MMR programme started in Britain in 1988. By this time, children in the United States had been having the MMR vaccine for over 15 years with no safety problems.
* Worldwide, more than 500 million doses of the MMR vaccine have been given in over 100 countries.
* The World Health Organization says about the MMR vaccine, 'its safety record is exemplary'.
* In the year before the vaccine was introduced in the UK, 86,000 children caught measles and 16 died.
* Because of the MMR vaccine, no child has died from acute measles in the UK since 1992.
* Before the vaccine was introduced, mumps was the commonest cause of viral meningitis in children.
* Because of the MMR vaccine, we are now close to wiping out mumps in children.
* Before the MMR vaccine was introduced, rubella continued to cause terrible damage to some unborn babies.
* Because of the MMR vaccine, we are now close to wiping out rubella.
* There has never been a programme of giving single vaccines against measles, mumps and rubella in the UK.

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Originally posted by Bigdaddyostrich:
It's not complicated. There is no link betwen MMR and autism. Simple.

The only decision is whether to immunise your kids against a bunch of nasty diseases, or not.

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Originally posted by Veggieburger:

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Originally posted by ~Orchid~:
The Government are only introducing the 'compulsory' element because there has been little uptake of the injection where parents are given a choice.

Three single vaccines, I suspect, are ruled out because of cost.

Yeah hun but you have to ask, if there is a low takeup then why is this??
If parents are unhappy or suspicious of the MMR jab then really they should offer the single doses.
I would suspect that the main problem with cost is that the drug company supplying the jabs have swelled the coffers of the political party concerned.

I have friends whose child had a bad reaction at 3 months old to a whooping cough jab. The childrens ward at Harlow hospital was stuffed to the gills with other babies who were also ill because of that jab. Now it may have just been a faulty batch, or maybe the health visitors etc didn't store it right - who knows.
But that beautiful little boy was never right afterwards and was diagnosed at 2 years old as severely autistic. He is now 16 and will never have the chance of a normal life.
He is not the only one of those children who were in the hospital to be diagnosed with autism.
Coincidence - I don't think so.

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Originally posted by Bigdaddyostrich:
It's not complicated. There is no link betwen MMR and autism. Simple.

The only decision is whether to immunise your kids against a bunch of nasty diseases, or not.

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Originally posted by Soozy woo:

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Originally posted by Bigdaddyostrich:
It's not complicated. There is no link betwen MMR and autism. Simple.

The only decision is whether to immunise your kids against a bunch of nasty diseases, or not.

Very true but now it seems that if you refuse your kids wont be able to attend school. That's not really much of a choice is it?

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Originally posted by Blizzie:

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Originally posted by Soozy woo:

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Originally posted by Bigdaddyostrich:
It's not complicated. There is no link betwen MMR and autism. Simple.

The only decision is whether to immunise your kids against a bunch of nasty diseases, or not.

Very true but now it seems that if you refuse your kids wont be able to attend school. That's not really much of a choice is it?

Yeah, but is it fair on those kids who can't have the vaccinations to be put at risk, just because some stupid doctor wanted to make some more money?

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Originally posted by Soozy woo:

But the MMR is free isn't it? or have I missed something here? as far as I'm aware if you're child is prone to convulsions or has extreme allergies they are exempt from routine MMr and could be offered the vaccines separately.

In all honesty I do think it extreme to ban kids from school simply because theyhaven't had the MMR but ................it is important to eradicate diseases if at all possible and mass immunisation is the way to go ...................the only way in fact.

So many parents now think so long and hard about it ..............that's their perogative but ........these illnesses in themselves are probably more life threatening than the immunisation ................it really wouldn't be good to see measles take hold - or mumps/whooping cough for that matter.

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Originally posted by Blizzie:
It's not just about cost. The combined vaccine had proved more effective. Parents do forget, or can't be bothered, to go back for more vaccinations and some children, who can't be vaccinated for medical reasons, are left vulnerable because of scare stories, started by money grabbing tossers and whipped up by an hysterical media.

I had no problem in deciding on the MMR vaccine. Andrew Wakefield is a disgrace.

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Originally posted by Growlybear:
Whilst I think that all children should be vaccinated unless there are very good reasons for not having the MMR, I would never support compulsory vaccination. It think it has to be the choice of individual parents, with enough information to make an informed decision.

The debate on MMR really started just after I'd had my daughter vaccinated, but if I had to make the decision now, I would want her to have the three separate vaccinations, and wouldn't consider the combined MMR.

I don't quite see how compulsory vaccination could work. If you refuse to vaccinate your child, you could be refused a state school place, but parents must have their children educated by law. There will always be a very small number of parents who choose to home educate their children, but will this be the only route open to parents who refuse to let their children be innoculated?

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Originally posted by roland rat:

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Originally posted by Growlybear:
Whilst I think that all children should be vaccinated unless there are very good reasons for not having the MMR, I would never support compulsory vaccination. It think it has to be the choice of individual parents, with enough information to make an informed decision.

The debate on MMR really started just after I'd had my daughter vaccinated, but if I had to make the decision now, I would want her to have the three separate vaccinations, and wouldn't consider the combined MMR.

I don't quite see how compulsory vaccination could work. If you refuse to vaccinate your child, you could be refused a state school place, but parents must have their children educated by law. There will always be a very small number of parents who choose to home educate their children, but will this be the only route open to parents who refuse to let their children be innoculated?

well you made the right choice as the single vacines are not as safe as the mmr,which is again information that is out there but not reported properly.I had measles when young it is a killer and i had the single vacine thats when i go it.my advive to all parents get informed from experts not sun reporters.

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There is a wealth of information available to parents now, and I doubt that any parent would base a decision which could potentially affect their child's health on comments they read in a newspaper such as the Sun!