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Originally posted by Big Brothers Big Scam:
in name it has some powers but in reality that power rests with the eu comission who arent elected, the eu constitution (or whatever they keep calling it) will allow for majority voting, which will end opt outs or rebates if the majority want it.
powers are not lent by nations to the eu they are given, how could a country withdraw from the euro and return to managing its own economy when all its gold reserves are transfered to the eu central bank, once you are in there is no way out, and they seem intent to keep trying even when they lose, likewise under the constitution we would no longer be in charge of our armed services, they would be under the control of the eu too and again without a budget of your own how would you withdraw from that since all your hardware will be eu owned and soldiers froom the uk will be eu soldires not british ones.
it is the complete subjugation of the nation states of europe.
The treaty is not the constitution, it modifies the older treaties. That has some significance although I can see why people think it's just a rebranding.
I actually think the Eurozone may collapse shortly. Does the Lisbon Treaty require entry into the Eurozone?
Is that actually true about the national armies? I know the defence area is not subject to QMV or proposed to be so.
Does the Lisbon Treaty not formalise an exit route for EU member states which wish to leave? I think it does. It sounds like you think it will not be possible to leave. If the treaty does formalise an exit route as I suggest then why have it in there?
If a member state can actually leave the EU after the treaty is ratified then removing the possibility of opt-outs by QMV is fundamentally toothless.