Lol! I never read that but, it's about right

I only read it this morning before I slung all the weekend papers out.

Funnily enough, I do think he made a couple of valid points: Davina & her 'spin' and the "Playing on like the Titanic's house band".

Apart from one perverted hm, I thought this years BB was really good. I did like his take on Davina's dress sense, it was horrific.

BB10 had great potential but became a car-crash mess towards the end...

Like a crazy man trying to persuade you to eat a donkey dung cheesecake! PMSL:
Thanks Cosmo, that was hilarious!

ian hyland calls jordan and peters little kid
'princess anthony worrall thompson'
slightly wicked but very true

I read it yesterday...made a lot of good points

BB's mistake this year as it has been in the last few years is their PC bollocks.

'lets shove some camp gay guys in there, who lets be fair are there every year with the same look at me look at me persona, plus a butch mouthy lesi, a couple of birds who are only pretty on the outside, as personality wise they are nasty tramps, a freakily dressed Muslim weirdo, who just wanted to be best friends with his dad but in fact just sucked his own arse since he got in there, a rich posh geeza with political ambitions (yeah right), the token black dude with lingo no one can understand and an attitude typical of gang culture that need a little injection in the neck to rid our streets of'

Barring Marcus who was, yes, crude, rude but bloody funny at times, the rest dont even deserve a mention.

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Originally posted by charmer:
ian hyland calls jordan and peters little kid
'princess anthony worrall thompson'
slightly wicked but very true

Haha..! I never knew that.

Although...it's a bit mean to pick on the kids.
Especially as there's enough ammo just for mum & dad.

I think Ian Hyland is an idiot.

Virtually all the all the TV critics have slagged off BB this year, spurred on by their editors and falling viewing figures. And virtually everyone of their criticisms could have been made when the show was pulling in huge audiences for c4. It's just become in vogue to slag the show now.

One of the very few to break ranks was the Mirrors Jim Shelley, who while I don't think has got it entirely right at least makes some much more valid points.

I doubt we've seen the last of Big Brother By Jim Shelley on Sep 7, 09 12:00 AM in Big Brother

When it comes to Big Brother, my predictions are reliably rubbish. (I thought Rodrigo would walk it.) But despite Channel 4's announcement that next year's series will be the last, somehow I doubt we've seen the last of it yet.

It's still basically a great format: a cross between Desmond Morris and the voyeurism we all do on the beach or in the park.

The show's been ruined by three things:

* putting it on for three months instead of one.
* the continued belief that Duh-vina McCall is actually popular.
* and the researchers' failure to find better contestants.

The irony about THIS series is that is if it had been on 5 years ago, it would probably be regarded as one of the classics.

Boy language expert Judi James went so far as to declare "this year's Big Brother housemates have been the most attractive and the cleverest we've seen." Talk about damning with faint praise.

This series was a classic and part of the reason for that was the intelligence of the housemates. In Halfwit, Marcus, Siavash, Bea and yep even Lisa we had some genuinely bright (or at least emotionally intelligent) HM's who played quite a shrewd political game. Throw in Noirin and her bizarre sexual magnetism and some oddness in the shape of Angel and it made things interesting.

I would say the biggest problem BB faced was a slight problem in the structure of the show - Who goes, you decide, should have been (or at least should have been for about 5 years) Who stays, you decide. This would have gone a long way to keeping in the characters who may have been disliked but who made the show. Don't forget despite all the arguing that goes on here, we the more obsessive fans always had our votes drowned out by less thoughtful knee jerk voters.

The other thing that hurt BB badly was... the media attention. I think the Shilpa Shetty incident did BB much harm. People who weren't used to the shown tuned in and saw bullying - shock horror. They immediately screamed BB is racist, BB shows kids it's alright to bully people. Well the people who'd been the hard core fans before knew BB wasn't anything of the kind BB just showed what the HM's were like - it didn't condone them and it let us kick them out just as we did when we had the chance.

The media also destroyed the chances we had of seeing some genuinely interesting people walk through those doors. As soon as contestants thought this was their chance to make it without actually you know having any discernible talent we were flooded with wannabes. I remember very clearly Saskia when she realised she was on her way out saying nobody remembers you when you go this early. Well Saskia I remember you, I never wanted to see you on my telly again but that was true of all the evicted HM's.

Finally I think BB went for the quick hits rather than the slow burn. Pumping up housemate so they got "fight night", being evil BB etc etc took them places they couldn't go back from.

Well that's my take anyway. There's not many programmes I've watched that I can say hang on I know this better than someone employed to watch television but this is one of them. TV critics suck this much I have learned.

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Originally posted by charmer:
ian hyland calls jordan and peters little kid
'princess anthony worrall thompson'
slightly wicked but very true

I shouldnt laugh but

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Originally posted by Sir HP:
I think Ian Hyland is an idiot.

Virtually all the all the TV critics have slagged off BB this year, spurred on by their editors and falling viewing figures. And virtually everyone of their criticisms could have been made when the show was pulling in huge audiences for c4. It's just become in vogue to slag the show now.

One of the very few to break ranks was the Mirrors Jim Shelley, who while I don't think has got it entirely right at least makes some much more valid points.

Tim Teeman from the Times is also a supporter:

The Big Brother housemates almost rebelled as one last week, and staged a walkout. If they had, a formidable consensus would have applauded: the papers, Big Brother's legions of critics, all those people making a big deal out of not watching it this year (this said, with a “it's-so-over” rolling of the eyes). Channel 4 is committed to showing another series after this. Bets are being taken on whether the station will pull the plug on it. The received wisdom is that the magic has gone. It has just been revealed that Sree Dasari, a contestant from this year's intake, was admitted to hospital after slashing his wrists. The show will get the blame, as it is blamed for everything.

Arguably, however, sorry, this season is one of the best ever. Isaac, siren Noirin's ex, has just turned up and started rowing (he's a reality veteran from Oz so knows how to stoke our shallow interest). Shaven-headed Lisa sits at the BB bus-stop plotting with her cohorts. Charlie and Rodrigo torment each other (we hope as a prelude to romance). And Noirin bewitches all in her path. Stories move slowly, the tasks are silly, the paranoia constant. It is compelling.

The story of Marcus and Noirin, or Wolverine and Noirin, is every toxic relationship; the story of the guy who, after not getting the girl, next makes her life hell. It's odd that Noirin has somehow been cast as the baddie in all this. Marcus's behaviour has been sinister and threatening ever since she made it clear that she didn't want a relationship. Noirin may send off the odd contradictory signal but her baseline message is clear: not interested. Marcus chose to misread that and play the victim. He should be voted out tonight, although next to Isaac he suddenly seems quite nice.

Big Brother 10 has been a maelstrom of emotional mis-engagement: from the questionable romance between sweet lad Kris and kind, blonde Sophie, to Noirin's many love quadrangles. That may not bear out the headlines of dwindling viewing figures (at around two million they're not at all unrespectable), it may not match the consensus that the show is in the TV knackers' yard, but Big Brother has more than proved its worth this year. The issue of its duty of care towards its contestants is thorny, admittedly. But one supposes that viewers only ever see a fraction of the diary room visits, not to mention the on-hand shrink. It's convenient to infer so, because Big Brother is television-land's supreme defiler of innocence, but is it really solely to blame for Dasari's slashed wrists?

It's astonishing to read how debased and debasing Big Brother is when, season after season the progress of the drama accords to a rigorous moral compass. The nasty and brutish are ejected, the good are rewarded, the colourful and strange entertain us. You may find it boring and dull - fine, switch over - but it's hardly the end of civilisation.

One of Big Brother's critics last week said that the show had begun as an interesting piece of social observation and had now descended into a circus of celebrity-hungry wannabes. As if any ambitious person appearing on television didn't want the same. Big Brother didn't start as an intellectual experiment, much as we may like to think of it as such: it took off when Nasty Nick schemed, plotted and got found out for trying to dispatch his competitors. It began as a soap, distinguished by a pantomime villain. All those people who said they were watching it like Margaret Mead on their sofas, notebook in hand, were really watching it (own up!) to nose on people; to watch conflict and romance. It was that first group of contestants that chanted, “It's only a game show!” They knew the score. Big Brother is an annual self-contained morality tale, cacophonous yes, but a unique thoroughbred. Run free, strange beast.



Apart from calling Kris a 'sweet lad', he's pretty much spot on!

Oh and Ian Harland has some nerve, calling the teenage female viewers 'bitchy'!

Isn't that lovely - critics who have actually WATCHED the show, and enjoy it. Rather than the usual "I never watch BB, aren't I superior?" crap from people who make snap judgments without knowing what they're on about.

I dont read the NOTW and Ian Hyland, in that smug little rant, has provided me with yet another reason not too.
Kathryn Flett in the Observer, who's always been pretty positive about BB, homed in on one of the major reasons why this BB didn't find a major audience.
"On Wednesday night's C4 news,C4's head of programming, Julian Bellamy, was asked if he knew the names of the remaining HMs. "No, no I'm not even going to get into that game!" stuttered Bellamy, who looked like a mand who had just had his press release amputated. He was further asked if he even knew how many HMs remained, "No, no! that's a mugs game!" No, it's not actually a mugs game, Julian it's your job...unless your job is actually a mugs game."
She goes on to say;
"Though I grant you things have been a tiny bit dull since bitchy, whiny Bea was evicted, I've rather loved this series".
In there is the kernel of why C4 dumped LF and some of the spin off programmes and could hardly bring themselves to promote this series. Julian Bellamy and all the other Julians at C4 simply decided that BB wasn't cool any more and decided that they should go back to doing what they are best at, making acres and acres of property porn and pots and pots of cookery programmes which wont get anybody excited enough to get of the couch and dial Ofcom.

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Originally posted by captain marbles:
I dont read the NOTW and Ian Hyland, in that smug little rant, has provided me with yet another reason not too.
Kathryn Flett in the Observer, who's always been pretty positive about BB, homed in on one of the major reasons why this BB didn't find a major audience.
"On Wednesday night's C4 news,C4's head of programming, Julian Bellamy, was asked if he knew the names of the remaining HMs. "No, no I'm not even going to get into that game!" stuttered Bellamy, who looked like a mand who had just had his press release amputated. He was further asked if he even knew how many HMs remained, "No, no! that's a mugs game!" No, it's not actually a mugs game, Julian it's your job...unless your job is actually a mugs game."
She goes on to say;
"Though I grant you things have been a tiny bit dull since bitchy, whiny Bea was evicted, I've rather loved this series".
In there is the kernel of why C4 dumped LF and some of the spin off programmes and could hardly bring themselves to promote this series. Julian Bellamy and all the other Julians at C4 simply decided that BB wasn't cool any more and decided that they should go back to doing what they are best at, making acres and acres of property porn and pots and pots of cookery programmes which wont get anybody excited enough to get of the couch and dial Ofcom.

Nothing but "Come dine with me " whores!

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It has just been revealed that Sree Dasari, a contestant from this year's intake, was admitted to hospital after slashing his wrists. The show will get the blame, as it is blamed for everything.

I never even heard about this and had to look it up, whilst doing so, in a newsreport in the Guardian, they wrote "Another contestant, Markus Akin, received an official warning after making fun of his thick Indian accent, an incident which prompted more than 100 complaints to Ofcom." - this is what I despise about journalism, they select parts of the facts to fit their story. In this article they were having a go at BB. Amongst BB fans who actually watch the program, I think it's pretty much universilly accepted that Marcus made a mockery of Big Brother -and any one else for that matter - for even suggesting he was being racist.

Cheers for posting these stories - i'd not seen any of them

Ian Hyland talking about Davina having 'a monstrous ego?' Oh I would class that as high praise from that nasty piece of shit.

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Originally posted by Perones:

I never even heard about this and had to look it up, whilst doing so, in a newsreport in the Guardian, they wrote "Another contestant, Markus Akin, received an official warning after making fun of his thick Indian accent, an incident which prompted more than 100 complaints to Ofcom." - this is what I despise about journalism, they select parts of the facts to fit their story. In this article they were having a go at BB. Amongst BB fans who actually watch the program, I think it's pretty much universilly accepted that Marcus made a mockery of Big Brother -and any one else for that matter - for even suggesting he was being racist.

Cheers for posting these stories - i'd not seen any of them

If, for instance, Maxwell had mocked an Indian HM's accent, during an argument, what do you think the reaction would have been amongst BB fans?

I dont,never will like that guy hyland - he adopts the mantleofjudge and jury - not a very nice guy .Wonder if he gets many invites to do's??

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Originally posted by ~Cosmopolitan~

which,according to Davina McCall, "wasn't just good. It was brilliant." And that, ladies and gents, is either the most brazen piece of spin ever spun.

Or positive proof of something I've long suspected: Davina doesn't actually watch Big Brother any more.

And it's Davina I feel really sorry for. Could have jumped ship any time these past five years. Yet bad advice or monstrous ego saw her cling on.

And there she was on Friday night. Playing on like the Titanic's house band. Trolled up like a cross between the blonde scouse one
from How Clean Is Your House and a gay bingo caller. (Still, it was nice to see a bun in her hair rather than her oven for a change.)

"Charlie and Rodrigo!!!!" she screamed. "Or should we call them Charigo?" No, Davina. You shouldn't. Because you're 41 years old, woman.

Something tells me Ian Hyland isn't a Davina fan.

Thanks Cosmo.

Just wanted to clarify with regards to Hyland and NOTW.
I posted the piece because it caught my eye, plus a couple of his comments were, I thought,
not far off the mark. It wasn't a representation of my whole view of the programme, nor is he in
any way a favourite 'journo' of mine - far from it.

Subsequently, others have posted far more eloquent and reflective opinions from other journo's, which
is great. It's also interesting that both The Times & The Observer still have contributor's who are
knuckling down to outing what's going on behind the scenes with the PTB rather than blaming the
shows basic format, its viewers and participants. Both of those journalists give me the impression of being interested
viewers rather than some kind of Friday night hanging-on-the-coat-tails Rent a Gob. Haven't FM's
complained about the 'celebrity' so-called fans on BBLB many a time? How many of these TV crits are doing exactly
the same thing too?

Sir HP was spot on when he said that critics in the main have slated it and..."It's just become in vogue to slag the
show now". Depite that, it appears that there are some who are on the side of the average fan and not
letting the show die without pointing the finger at where criticism is deserved.

Hyland was being acerbic just for the hell of it. He was out to pan the show come what may.
However, I liked Jim Shelley & Tim Teeman's
take on it. Both rounded and balanced

My biggest criticism was (predictably ) no
live feed. This killed the show for me.

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Originally posted by Aquarius 11:
Hyland was being acerbic just for the hell of it. He was out to pan the show come what may.
However, I liked Jim Shelley & Tim Teeman's
take on it. Both rounded and balanced

My biggest criticism was (predictably ) no
live feed. This killed the show for me.

Yep, he likes to score points (as is evident in the fact that he has to dig out Piers Morgan at every give opportunity). Who cares who he's got a grievance with..!

LF has been a big issue this year. It's laughable that it was only briefly commented about on BBLB. You could almost hear the producer shriek down George's earpiece "Move along now PLEASE!"

I can remember Hyland being quite supportive of BB back in the day.

Like many, he thinks it's gone off the boil.

Is he not allowed to say that or something?