quote:I often notice that a lot of mistrust about the McCanns is simply that some of the public don't like them as people - how that makes them murderers boggles the mind, well my mind anyway.
Who in this thread has accused them of murder?
Who in this thread has accused them of murder?
The Detecive that was in charge of this case was sacked.
I didn't mention that anyone in the thread said they were murderers but it's known - in the wider sense than this Forum - that some people believe they, or one of them, killed Madeleine.
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The one thing thing the McCanns did was to leave their children alone that night. Very wrong, very stupid and they will be haunted by it forever.I dont believe for one millisecond that they had anything whatsoever to do with her disappearance. There are some very sick people out there whose lives are so s**t they have to make up lies about others to make themselves feel better 
quote:Originally posted by Jenny:
Innocent until proven guilty.
They are guilty of leaving their children alone, but anything else is pure conjecture.
Absolutely.
quote:Originally posted by Blizzie:quote:Originally posted by riversider:
Howdy people. Just come in and found this thread still going strong.
I cannot comprehend why people demonise the McCanns.
Their daughter is gone, they obviously have to live with that horror. Some compassion towards them seems in order.
I imagine that their lack of supervision of their kids that night haunts their every waking moment and that they are their own harshest critics.
Hi riversider.
I couldn't agree more.
Same here.
I doubt we will ever know if they did or did not. If Maddie is found alive, then we will have our answer. Let's pray that is soon.
quote:Originally posted by Blizzie:quote:Originally posted by *BB*:quote:Originally posted by Videostar:
It's not the fact that they left their kids alone that some people have issues with them, but it's that some people(including me) dont believe their story one bit and think they might have something to do with their daughters disappearence.
Me too Vid. I read everything I could find on them from the start, watched a lot of TV footage of them. I tried to see them as grieving parents. I tried not to see them as being guilty in any way other than leaving 3 babies unattended.
But I keep on coming to the same conclusion, that being they had something to do with her disappearance or death.
But what if you are both wrong?
What if you are wrong?
The McCanns have done little to endear themselves to the public; agreed, that doesn't make them killers, but it does leave them open to criticism and suspicion and until we have proof of what happened that night, no one has the right to claim the moral high ground.
If it turns out they are innocent then good - the thought of a parent harming their own child, even unintentionally, is sickening; and if that were the case I'd happily back down and say 'I was wrong'.
I won't however, withdraw my opinion that they are selfish, arrogant people who made a mistake with possibly fatal consequences and then manipulated the situation to avoid taking any personal responsibility.
quote:Originally posted by jelly vodkafish:
What if you are wrong?
The McCanns have done little to endear themselves to the public; agreed, that doesn't make them killers, but it does leave them open to criticism and suspicion and until we have proof of what happened that night, no one has the right to claim the moral high ground.
If it turns out they are innocent then good - the thought of a parent harming their own child, even unintentionally, is sickening; and if that were the case I'd happily back down and say 'I was wrong'.
I won't however, withdraw my opinion that they are selfish, arrogant people who made a mistake with possibly fatal consequences and then manipulated the situation to avoid taking any personal responsibility.
The things I found unsettling from the get go were the fact that his brother was on telly asking for money after about 2 days and I was like wtf do they need money for when the Portuguese and British police are looking?
Also that they were adamant that it was only the same as eating in your back garden.Very close as the crow flies but more like being in the garden of the house that backs onto yours,ie round the block.The other thing I disliked is that there was so much discrepancy over how often the kids were being checked.Seemed like the whole group were more desperate to not appear as bad parents than to be honest and helpful to the police. Pheww
Also that they were adamant that it was only the same as eating in your back garden.Very close as the crow flies but more like being in the garden of the house that backs onto yours,ie round the block.The other thing I disliked is that there was so much discrepancy over how often the kids were being checked.Seemed like the whole group were more desperate to not appear as bad parents than to be honest and helpful to the police. Pheww
quote:Originally posted by Tayto:
The Detecive that was in charge of this case was sacked.
Yes .......and then went on to write a book about it. How very professional ...............how very malicious.
I dont like the Mc Canns they have done themselves no favours for me their story has never added up, I doubt any of us will ever know the truth what happened that night all we can do is give our opinions rightly or wrongly.
I have always felt this couple have played a part somehow in the disappearance of poor little Madeleine.
Everything they have done since she has been missing just makes me think they are guilty in some form~and they know her whereabouts
At first I thought He was covering up for his wife
I also think it has something to do with sedating Madeleine ~ so that she WOULD sleep through ~~~~~
and ~~~~~~not cry~~~~~~~~~~
like she had done~ the night before
Everything they have done since she has been missing just makes me think they are guilty in some form~and they know her whereabouts
At first I thought He was covering up for his wife
I also think it has something to do with sedating Madeleine ~ so that she WOULD sleep through ~~~~~
and ~~~~~~not cry~~~~~~~~~~
like she had done~ the night before
quote:Originally posted by CYBERDAZZLE:
I have always felt this couple have played a part somehow in the disappearance of poor little Madeleine.
Everything they have done since she has been missing just makes me think they are guilty in some form~and they know her whereabouts
At first I thought He was covering up for his wife
I also think it has something to do with sedating Madeleine ~ so that she WOULD sleep through ~~~~~
and ~~~~~~not cry~~~~~~~~~~
like she had done~ the night before
I just cannot make my mind up about this case. I read a whole load of stuff on the Madeleine Foundation website about the accusations about Gerry and Kate. And as I wanted to see counter arguments regrading what Kate and Gerry said I about the accusations and what evidence they had on her disappearance I went to their findadeleine website but there is little on there except fund raising stuff.
quote:Originally posted by Hotpants Helen:
I just cannot make my mind up about this case. I read a whole load of stuff on the Madeleine Foundation website about the accusations about Gerry and Kate. And as I wanted to see counter arguments regrading what Kate and Gerry said I about the accusations and what evidence they had on her disappearance I went to their findadeleine website but there is little on there except fund raising stuff.
Earlier in the year the press released all the info that the Portuguese were using to make a case. Everything was disproved and the McCanns spoke up about it then. I dont think the Madeliene site that you are referring to is the relevant place to deny the allegations against them. It would simply give credence to what amounts to outrageous allegations.
Personally I dont feel that they should have to keep defending themselves over and over to satisfy the braying mob. They have been investigated and no charges were bought.
They simply want to know what happened to their child and IMO shouldn't have to continually defend themselves.
quote:Originally posted by jelly vodkafish:quote:Originally posted by Cagney:
Weren't some or one of the children left alone ill at the time....but still left alone? Madeleine asked her parents why they didn't come when they were crying the night before....and were still left alone the next night?
Personally I believe the 'OD of sedatives' theory, and that's possibly the reason why sedatives might have been administered
I know of real life professional couples who sedate their kids if they are entertaining
I get the feeling its fairly accepted practice.My gut feeling is that this is what happened and went tragically wrong in some way.I have no proof obviously.However,I do beleive they are culpable whatever happened in that they left the children unattended.Quite how anyone can argue with that is beyond me.
A few things DO bug me about this case:
1.They are not short of a bob or two.Why not take an au pair on holiday?Plenty of responsible students are looking to eanr a few quid
2.The risk of abduction wouldnt actually cross my mind.what would worry me is the child could vomit,could climb out of their cot/bed and fall..or wake up distressed and try to find me
3.If this was ANYONE else the book would, quite rightly,be thrown at them for neglect.Can you imagine the daily mail headlines if a single mum from a council estate left her sleeping kids for five minutes to pop out to the shop??
We will never know what happened that night..and yes,no amount of theories will bring back the child,nor rid them of guilt.But many people commit crimes and have to live with the guilt.Theres scant sympathy for them.Why do the Mccanns get so much?
quote:3.If this was ANYONE else the book would, quite rightly,be thrown at them for neglect.Can you imagine the daily mail headlines if a single mum from a council estate left her sleeping kids for five minutes to pop out to the shop??
there has been a few articles about the death of kids on there recently. one was about an 18 month old girl cheating the stairgates and drowning in a full bath (the mother had a bath late at night and forgot to take plug out).
the comments to that were disgusting, why more care should have been taken, accidents happen, but some people seemed to think it was murder
quote:Originally posted by Soozy woo:
Earlier in the year the press released all the info that the Portuguese were using to make a case. Everything was disproved and the McCanns spoke up about it then. I dont think the Madeliene site that you are referring to is the relevant place to deny the allegations against them. It would simply give credence to what amounts to outrageous allegations.
Personally I dont feel that they should have to keep defending themselves over and over to satisfy the braying mob. They have been investigated and no charges were bought.
They simply want to know what happened to their child and IMO shouldn't have to continually defend themselves.
They will have to continue defending themselves until they provide some more feasible and satisfactory answers. Too many things about their story don't add up. All very fishy.
blimey, I did 't know that they had 'sedated' her, wtf are these people like you go on a family holiday to be with your children, if you need 'me' time, they should have gone on their own. They went with friends, surely it wouldn't hurt to have some kind of rota, or is that being too selfish?
you go on a family holiday to be with your children, if you need 'me' time, they should have gone on their own. They went with friends, surely it wouldn't hurt to have some kind of rota, or is that being too selfish?
quote:Originally posted by pussycatj:
blimey, I did 't know that they had 'sedated' her, wtf are these people like
There's no proof she was sedated
I think it was something that was mentioned in the early days because the twins didn't wake up as would have been expected considering the commotion going on around them.quote:Originally posted by MysTerry:quote:Originally posted by pussycatj:
blimey, I did 't know that they had 'sedated' her, wtf are these people like
There's no proof she was sedated
Hi MysT,
There doesn't seem to be much proof of anything that happened 
quote:Originally posted by jelly vodkafish:
What if you are wrong?
The McCanns have done little to endear themselves to the public; agreed, that doesn't make them killers, but it does leave them open to criticism and suspicion and until we have proof of what happened that night, no one has the right to claim the moral high ground.
If it turns out they are innocent then good - the thought of a parent harming their own child, even unintentionally, is sickening; and if that were the case I'd happily back down and say 'I was wrong'.
I won't however, withdraw my opinion that they are selfish, arrogant people who made a mistake with possibly fatal consequences and then manipulated the situation to avoid taking any personal responsibility.
If I'm wrong, then I haven't harmed anyone by my assumptions.
If others are wrong, the harm is immeasurable and damages not only the McCanns, but their family and friends.
Remember, these people may never be able to prove their innocence to the doubters.
quote:Originally posted by pussycatj:quote:Originally posted by MysTerry:quote:Originally posted by pussycatj:
blimey, I did 't know that they had 'sedated' her, wtf are these people like
There's no proof she was sedated
Hi MysT,
Sadly the only proof that anyone has is that a little girl was left alone and has now vanished
Someone is obviously responsible, but I doubt we will ever know who.
I still don't understand many things about this, such as Madeleine being made a Ward of Court less than 8 weeks after going missing.
I still believe she wandered off...but I think I'm the only one that thinks that.
quote:Originally posted by MysTerry:
I still believe she wandered off...but I think I'm the only one that thinks that.
No I also think that it is possible that she woke up, maybe because of a nightmare or other reasons and went to look for her parents. I said that earlier.
I just hope someone saw her wandering and took her home to love her and care for her - not likely but the best outcome to this whole sad mess
quote:Originally posted by jelly vodkafish:quote:Originally posted by Soozy woo:
Earlier in the year the press released all the info that the Portuguese were using to make a case. Everything was disproved and the McCanns spoke up about it then. I dont think the Madeliene site that you are referring to is the relevant place to deny the allegations against them. It would simply give credence to what amounts to outrageous allegations.
Personally I dont feel that they should have to keep defending themselves over and over to satisfy the braying mob. They have been investigated and no charges were bought.
They simply want to know what happened to their child and IMO shouldn't have to continually defend themselves.
They will have to continue defending themselves until they provide some more feasible and satisfactory answers. Too many things about their story don't add up. All very fishy.
i dont think they need to defend themselves to anyone TBH. They have never been charged with anything .............it's only malicious gossip mongers who feel that they know better who demand that they defend themselves.
The British Police and Portuguese Police have researched thoroughly - no case to answer. I for the life of me dont know why people think that they know better than the police - can't see why thet simply cannot be left alone TBH.
quote:Originally posted by Veggieburger:
No I also think that it is possible that she woke up, maybe because of a nightmare or other reasons and went to look for her parents. I said that earlier.
I just hope someone saw her wandering and took her home to love her and care for her - not likely but the best outcome to this whole sad mess
Wouldn't it be wonderful if that were the case...that she was being cared for and loved. The alternative is too horrible to contemplate.
quote:Originally posted by Blizzie:
If I'm wrong, then I haven't harmed anyone by my assumptions.
If others are wrong, the harm is immeasurable and damages not only the McCanns, but their family and friends.
Remember, these people may never be able to prove their innocence to the doubters.
quote:Originally posted by Soozy woo:
i dont think they need to defend themselves to anyone TBH. They have never been charged with anything .............it's only malicious gossip mongers who feel that they know better who demand that they defend themselves.
The British Police and Portuguese Police have researched thoroughly - no case to answer. I for the life of me dont know why people think that they know better than the police - can't see why thet simply cannot be left alone TBH.
quote:Originally posted by cologne1:quote:Originally posted by Soozy woo:
i dont think they need to defend themselves to anyone TBH. They have never been charged with anything .............it's only malicious gossip mongers who feel that they know better who demand that they defend themselves.
The British Police and Portuguese Police have researched thoroughly - no case to answer. I for the life of me dont know why people think that they know better than the police - can't see why thet simply cannot be left alone TBH.
Exactly. People with no knowledge or evidence accusing them of murder. Disgraceful!
