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Originally posted by Pretty_P:

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Originally posted by The Devil In Diamante:
Well, who knows what the full story is, though most people who go into professions like that do it as a vocation and not a 9-5 job...well, at least the people who i know who've gone into the Emergency Services etc do!

Who knows if she would've saved her life, however, I hope she can live with herself for not doing the job she was sent to do!

she has a right to remain safe though and if the case is that she felt her safety would be jepordised she has the right to wait for back up - at the end of the day she most probably has a family at home and may even have children who she needs to look after!! Like I say we don't really know what exactly happened at the minute and so based on that we should not be judging her!!

Does that explain why she turned up at the wrong pub first and after all she would have been advised re her control, what the problem was and also if it was a rough pub in a rough area, I would imagine control room operators would also advise police were attending and she could make a choice from there.

It seems to me she made some very wrong judgements and a person lost her life because of these judgements.

maybe she did - maybe she didn't - that is the pint here we just don't know the full facts of the case and that is why we shouldn't be judging her!!

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Originally posted by Blizzie:
I wanted to be a Firefighter, but was told that I couldn't just do the kitten rescues.

Shocking Blizzie

I do not understand all this pansying around Health & Safety issues when lives are at risk....it's the beaurocracy (sp) and red tape that that hinder this...shocking state of affairs really...

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I wanted to be a Firefighter, but was told that I couldn't just do the kitten rescues.

Shocking Blizzie

I do not understand all this pansying around Health & Safety issues when lives are at risk....it's the beaurocracy (sp) and red tape that that hinder this...shocking state of affairs really...

This woman was hired to do a job. She didn't do it and a woman died. If she couldn't do the job, she should not have taken it.

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I find your use of !! at the end of every sentence to be judgemental, but that is MY opinion.

Please - this conversation is for adults - chilidish comment should be left in the playground - seriusly with that comment you really have just embarassed yourself!!!

Oh wow - three that time. Don't bother to respond, I am putting you on ignore with the the other wind up merchants.

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The paramedic has a right to safety herself and if she didn't feel safe going into that pub alone there must be a reason!!

At the end of the day none of us were there and we only have the story from the family right now who are incredibly upeset and grieving - until we have both sides i don't really think we should judge!!

many people, who are not trained or get paid, save the lives of people in danger...despite a major danger to their own wellbeing. and most people who haven't done that yet...probably would.
this paramedic was trained and was getting paid for it...yeah i understand she had her own safety to worry about, but it's not like diving inot a river after a child when you can't swim, or knocking someone out the way of a moving vehicle...it was walking into a pub to see to a woman who had a heart atack. if the atmosphere was intense it was probably due to a woman lying there dying!!!

how can you judge - you don't know the pub and you only have one side of the story - you have absolutely no idea of the dangers she may have faced going into that pub alone - no idea whatsoever!!

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Originally posted by The Devil In Diamante:

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Originally posted by Suzi-Q:

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Originally posted by The Devil In Diamante:

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Originally posted by Blizzie:
I wanted to be a Firefighter, but was told that I couldn't just do the kitten rescues.

Shocking Blizzie

I do not understand all this pansying around Health & Safety issues when lives are at risk....it's the beaurocracy (sp) and red tape that that hinder this...shocking state of affairs really...

This woman was hired to do a job. She didn't do it and a woman died. If she couldn't do the job, she should not have taken it.

I agree Suzi, the same as the police Support Officers who let a young lad die in some ice claiming they didn't have the correct training....it beggars belief that people can decide whether they can be bothered to do their job when they turn up at the scene....

...they shouldn't be in the job if they can't I do blame alot on the Health & Saftey brigade though...

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Originally posted by Suzi-Q:

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Originally posted by The Devil In Diamante:

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Originally posted by Blizzie:
I wanted to be a Firefighter, but was told that I couldn't just do the kitten rescues.

Shocking Blizzie

I do not understand all this pansying around Health & Safety issues when lives are at risk....it's the beaurocracy (sp) and red tape that that hinder this...shocking state of affairs really...

This woman was hired to do a job. She didn't do it and a woman died. If she couldn't do the job, she should not have taken it.

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Originally posted by Pretty_P:
are you being serious - 'whether they can be bothered'!!

Lets put it this way how would you feel if a member of your family was injured or died putting themselves in danger???

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Originally posted by Veggieburger:
Well at the mo we don't really have all the facts but I won't let that stop me

I did a first aid course (St Johns Lifesaver) about 10 years ago and was a first aider at work for 2 years too.

The first thing you have to say when attending any incident is "I'm checking the area for danger to myself and the casualty*
And you have to say it every time before you even assess the casualty.

It sounds to me like she felt it was unsafe. Now I don't know if it was or not but surely most of the fault lies with the managers above her