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On TV this morning they were discussing parents that take their children out of school to go on holiday.

I understand that money is the problem, but seriously, they don't understand that these children will never catch up on the work missed, the effect on making new friends at the start of Secondary school and how hard it is for the teachers to try and sort this mess out.

I never have and never would, and it's nothing to do with money Shake Head

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Originally posted by FGG Aka Crocodile Rock:
I take mine out for a week every year...I tag it onto the May half term.....and it is all about the money cos we can go for two weeks then for less than the cost of one week in the summer holidays!

We couldn't afford to go in the summer holidays at all.


I know money is a big factor, we can't afford to go away in school holidays, but I couldn't justify a holiday over education, sorry.
Puss
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Originally posted by FGG Aka Crocodile Rock:
It depends on the kid though. For those that are performing well it really makes no difference, its the ones that aren't, that are affected by it (as told to me by the headteacher at my childrens primary school)


I'm not too sure about this. I was a high achiever throughout school, but I remember missing 2 weeks of primary school owing to illness. It was just when decimals were being introduced to the class and I never did catch up. I still struggle.
B
I think it makes a big difference whether you're talking about primary or secondary children. Whilst I wouldn't do it myself, I think it's a bit easier to justify taking a child out of primary school for a week or two, providing it's not near SATs time or any other exams. Most of the primary schools I work with insist that children who are taken out of school do a project whilst they're away, and won't authorise the absence unless they have something to show when they come back to school. But I think it's very different once children get to secondary school, and I don't think children can catch up with the work they miss easily. When my daughter started secondary school, the home school agreement we had to sign said that we would not take her out of school during term time for any reason. I'm aware of several occasions when parents have asked for permission to take their children out of school, and the Headteacher has refused to authorise it.
FM
My mum works in a school and so would never have taken us out of school. We had holidays in the summer holidays every other year so that my parents could save up for them. I'm glad they didn't take us out, people say it doesn't affect high achievers but when I was forced to have a month and a half out of college I never caught back up properly and it was reflected in my grades, and also can still be seen in some of my understanding of certain processes.
Trixy
There's too many well educated people nowadays.

Even before the credit panty-bunch we were churning out more well educated people than ever before.

Too many wannabee chiefs, and no one wanting to accept 'lesser' jobs which collectively create, construct and maintain the infrastrucure of the society we all take for granted.

And let's face it; who is smarter..?? I live in a student city and asking one of these rucksack wearing twonks a complex question such as the time, causes them to melt down as their synapses overload. Great at disseminating the works of long dead literary geniuses, or rearranging mathematical algorithms so that they can prove E=MC_Hammer.

Apart from that as thick as two short planks - because they've spent their head so long in a text book it's hard to know where the index starts and their nose ends.

Once this credit munch is finally over, any sensible government would invest muchos Euro in promoting the practical hands on training for a high percentile of the mumbling buffons who currently have as much chance of a well paid job, as I have of being called 'subtle.'

If the present oafs leaving our schools were required to undertake manual apprenticeships in areas that appealed to them (in terms of working at the top end of such jobs); then they could learn the trade, business, profession etc from the roots up..insane an idea as that sounds.

Might well be that with spending more time co-operating with other former bookworms they actually develop an affinity for a job which offers far less financial renumeration, but much more satisfaction for a productive days work.

Take them to Tenerife I say - assuming they can pack their bags unaided, be ripped from their technological necessities and actually *know* where Tenerife is (see Sophie BB).

We presently have the best educated, but cataclysmically thick/naieve/deluded/self absorbed young people in living memory/record.

As Marcus would say w**kers..!! The parents are 'blameless' of course..their Kevin/Tracey is 'special'..not like the other kids.. Ninja

Anyone for tea and biscuits..? Smiler
L
quote:
Originally posted by pussycatj:
On TV this morning they were discussing parents that take their children out of school to go on holiday.

I understand that money is the problem, but seriously, they don't understand that these children will never catch up on the work missed, the effect on making new friends at the start of Secondary school and how hard it is for the teachers to try and sort this mess out.

I never have and never would, and it's nothing to do with money Shake Head

If you are suggesting not to do it when your kid is starting a new school, then I agree. But, if your child is established, then you can arrange with the school, out of hours 'catch-up' coursework. Up to the parent to implement it.
F
quote:
Originally posted by lucifer:
There's too many well educated people nowadays.

Even before the credit panty-bunch we were churning out more well educated people than ever before.

Too many wannabee chiefs, and no one wanting to accept 'lesser' jobs which collectively create, construct and maintain the infrastrucure of the society we all take for granted.

And let's face it; who is smarter..?? I live in a student city and asking one of these rucksack wearing twonks a complex question such as the time, causes them to melt down as their synapses overload. Great at disseminating the works of long dead literary geniuses, or rearranging mathematical algorithms so that they can prove E=MC_Hammer.

Apart from that as thick as two short planks - because they've spent their head so long in a text book it's hard to know where the index starts and their nose ends.

Once this credit munch is finally over, any sensible government would invest muchos Euro in promoting the practical hands on training for a high percentile of the mumbling buffons who currently have as much chance of a well paid job, as I have of being called 'subtle.'

If the present oafs leaving our schools were required to undertake manual apprenticeships in areas that appealed to them (in terms of working at the top end of such jobs); then they could learn the trade, business, profession etc from the roots up..insane an idea as that sounds.

Might well be that with spending more time co-operating with other former bookworms they actually develop an affinity for a job which offers far less financial renumeration, but much more satisfaction for a productive days work.

Take them to Tenerife I say - assuming they can pack their bags unaided, be ripped from their technological necessities and actually *know* where Tenerife is (see Sophie BB).

We presently have the best educated, but cataclysmically thick/naieve/deluded/self absorbed young people in living memory/record.

As Marcus would say w**kers..!! The parents are 'blameless' of course..their Kevin/Tracey is 'special'..not like the other kids.. Ninja

Anyone for tea and biscuits..? Smiler


Employers are catching on that a piece of paper staing that someone has A's across the board is not what it is all about.
A job applicant at my work place must first hand write a 500 word essay about themselves.
At the table where they are to write sits a dictionary. 95% of applicants do not even notice it and hand in a scribble that I would be ashamed if any 10 year old offspring of mine wrote it.
Luxor
One place my husband worked (British Rail) holiday weeks were allocated in the summer....so you had to take them when you got them which some of the time was school time because they could not accommodate everyone that had kids with a scope of only 6 weeks to allocate in.

Also the last place I worked was only small and so only 2 people could be off at any one time. I only managed 3 days in the holidays last year.

So apart from the cost some people do not have the choice of when they can and can't have holidays.
Croctacus
Thinking about this why can't it be both.

Most parents and it seems kids now have laptops, so why can't they work from Tenerife or where ever it is via the lap top for a couple of weeks?

I know some of the schools near to me, (my nieces school did this), have what they call a "home learning portal", where coursework is available on line and kids can do homework or coursework and send it back to the school on line, this seems like a sensible solution for all. It would, of course be up to the parents to make sure the work was done and sent back, but as the school could track it, then I wouldn't have thought it would be a problem. My niece was able to do her homework a few times this last year on our computer and send it back to school, when she was staying with us for the weekend.

It would also help if holiday companies made prices cheaper during the main school holidays, the first company to do this would make billions, because most parents would buy a holiday from them in the main school holiday.
â™ĨPinkBabe1966â™ĨThe Angel under the tree!
The school doesnt like their attendance figures to look bad in the yearly league tables......Year six in primary would be fine...all they do now is learn how to take sats....over and over and over again...and absolutely bugger all else. They get to secondary school and they are restreamed anyway....biggest nonsensical hype ever designed. And the results have no bearing on which secondary school they get into either....in fact take the whole of year six off.....travelling the world would be more educational. Big Grin
fz
Depending on the time of the year then I would take my kids out of school for a holiday. Like croc I'd time it around Mid-Term break and would ask for a few extra worksheets of homework be given which my eldest could always catch up on either on teh holiday or on the journey. He's only primary school so I wouldn't be too worried about him missing too much. I wouldn't take them on hols in the first few weeks in September because I want them to get back into routine and get to know their new teacher and see their friends again after 6 weeks apart.

If the holidays weren't so expensive in the Summer I wouldn't dream of taking them out of school.
Ells
I used to take my kids out for either 1 week or 2weeks during term time...they never missed out on eduction cos they always caught up.

I work in a school now so I can't do it anymore but parents that do do it....why not.

Anymore than 1 or 2 weeks is pushing I think though.

Footnote: I think it's ok when kids are in primary education to do this but not secondary or anything higher.
queenshaks
quote:
Originally posted by disley21:
My parents would take me out of school for two weeks to go on holiday every year up to a certain point (up to year 10).

Here I am, with my bachelors degree, working towards the equivalent of a masters degree in my chosen profession whilst gaining experience in said profession.

It really messed me up.


Yeah but you may have already passed your bachelors degree and have made your first million if you hadnt taken the time off...have you considered that?!
Trollop
quote:
Originally posted by Trollop:
quote:
Originally posted by disley21:
My parents would take me out of school for two weeks to go on holiday every year up to a certain point (up to year 10).

Here I am, with my bachelors degree, working towards the equivalent of a masters degree in my chosen profession whilst gaining experience in said profession.

It really messed me up.


Yeah but you may have already passed your bachelors degree and have made your first million if you hadnt taken the time off...have you considered that?!


Damn, foiled again, I hate my parents..
disley21
quote:
Originally posted by disley21:
quote:
Originally posted by Trollop:
quote:
Originally posted by disley21:
My parents would take me out of school for two weeks to go on holiday every year up to a certain point (up to year 10).

Here I am, with my bachelors degree, working towards the equivalent of a masters degree in my chosen profession whilst gaining experience in said profession.

It really messed me up.


Yeah but you may have already passed your bachelors degree and have made your first million if you hadnt taken the time off...have you considered that?!


Damn, foiled again, I hate my parents..


Thats more like it! Thumbs Up Big Grin
Trollop
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Originally posted by Trollop:


Ello Q! My parents never took me on holiday during school term, so I just bobbed school for two weeks instead! Laugh

I shouldnt laugh at that should I Ninja Naughty Trollop *smacks self*


You naughty child you...Shake Head Laugh

I didn't have my first holiday till I was 16 and that was during the summer holidays, my parents were good.

Not me though... Devil
queenshaks
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Originally posted by chilligrape:
If we want a holiday on our budget then it has to be in term time,when the holiday companies put prices down during the schoolholidays then we will go then. I don't see we and the kids should miss out because of greedy tour operators. We've always done it and my kids education is going fine.


Exactly. Thumbs Up
queenshaks

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