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Originally posted by Senora Reyes:

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Originally posted by cup:

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Originally posted by Videostar:
I think both David and Bea used eachother to get Freddie out last week.

They never liked eachother.

The public put freddie out,and it was bea who brought him down

With David and Lisa's help of course, by justifying her awful behaviour toward Freddie.

Bea just did Lisa's dirty work, so it suited Lisa(More so her than Dave) to be mates with Bea. The unholy trio all used each other, but all are now trying come over as morally better than the other.

I think freddie would have to be responible for what he has said and done with bea esp,as to why he went out of the house

The night he was laughing at them being up for eviction and telling all he would stay and the way he completely changed with bea standing up for her when she was in the wrong,and telling bb to f..ck off was a large part of freddie going

lisa never liked him,and he had a go at dave for yelling at bea when he done no such thing

Bea was the start of the end for freddie

David is just doing what Bea did he has attached himself to Lisa as she has the most power in the house, Bea did to Freddie and she was his downfall. Whilst David has every right to be upset to be backstabbed by Bea he was obviously gutted to be up for eviction despite his protests and was hoping his alliance to Lisa would keep him safe till the end it seems to me. All three of them have used each other to their advantage but who's going to be the next target when Bea goes?.

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Originally posted by cup:

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Originally posted by Senora Reyes:

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Originally posted by cup:

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Originally posted by Videostar:
I think both David and Bea used eachother to get Freddie out last week.

They never liked eachother.

The public put freddie out,and it was bea who brought him down

With David and Lisa's help of course, by justifying her awful behaviour toward Freddie.

Bea just did Lisa's dirty work, so it suited Lisa(More so her than Dave) to be mates with Bea. The unholy trio all used each other, but all are now trying come over as morally better than the other.

I think freddie would have to be responible for what he has said and done with bea esp,as to why he went out of the house

The night he was laughing at them being up for eviction and telling all he would stay and the way he completely changed with bea standing up for her when she was in the wrong,and telling bb to f..ck off was a large part of freddie going

lisa never liked him,and he had a go at dave for yelling at bea when he done no such thing

Bea was the start of the end for freddie

Cup I totally agree with your point regarding Bea and Freddie, but Lisa saw it as a huge opportunity to get rid of her Nemesis...David will pretty much go along with Lisa, because tactically it's good for him.

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Originally posted by darloboy07:
who's going to be the next target when Bea goes?.

Siavash.

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Originally posted by darloboy07:
David is just doing what Bea did he has attached himself to Lisa as she has the most power in the house, Bea did to Freddie and she was his downfall. Whilst David has every right to be upset to be backstabbed by Bea he was obviously gutted to be up for eviction despite his protests and was hoping his alliance to Lisa would keep him safe till the end it seems to me. All three of them have used each other to their advantage but who's going to be the next target when Bea goes?.

marcus or siavash id say,lisas said she knows who shes wants with her at the end.

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Originally posted by Senora Reyes:


Bea just did Lisa's dirty work, so it suited Lisa(More so her than Dave) to be mates with Bea.

Now that, I can see, Senora.

You know something though? I'm not sure that Lisa has the intelligence to do 'long term, detailed strategy'. I think she has a gut feeling and snapshot judgement of people that's pretty hard to shake off (regardless of their behaviour) and she's quite adept at, (opportunistically), comandeering a totally unrelated situation to achieve her overall aims.

...and hiya, Suzy. Long time.

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Originally posted by subatomic partygirl:

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Originally posted by Senora Reyes:


Bea just did Lisa's dirty work, so it suited Lisa(More so her than Dave) to be mates with Bea.

Now that, I can see, Senora.

You know something though? I'm not sure that Lisa has the intelligence to do 'long term, detailed strategy'. I think she has a gut feeling and snapshot judgement of people that's pretty hard to shake off (regardless of their behaviour) and she's quite adept at, (opportunistically), comandeering a totally unrelated situation to achieve her overall aims.

Lisa might not be book smart, but she is crafty, and only ever thinks of herself. So I've never underestimated her.

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Originally posted by subatomic partygirl:
...and hiya, Suzy. Long time.

hey subby

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Originally posted by Senora Reyes:

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Originally posted by cup:

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Originally posted by Senora Reyes:

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Originally posted by cup:

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Originally posted by Videostar:
I think both David and Bea used eachother to get Freddie out last week.

They never liked eachother.

The public put freddie out,and it was bea who brought him down

With David and Lisa's help of course, by justifying her awful behaviour toward Freddie.

Bea just did Lisa's dirty work, so it suited Lisa(More so her than Dave) to be mates with Bea. The unholy trio all used each other, but all are now trying come over as morally better than the other.

I think freddie would have to be responible for what he has said and done with bea esp,as to why he went out of the house

The night he was laughing at them being up for eviction and telling all he would stay and the way he completely changed with bea standing up for her when she was in the wrong,and telling bb to f..ck off was a large part of freddie going

lisa never liked him,and he had a go at dave for yelling at bea when he done no such thing

Bea was the start of the end for freddie

Cup I totally agree with your point regarding Bea and Freddie, but Lisa saw it as a huge opportunity to get rid of her Nemesis...David will pretty much go along with Lisa, because tactically it's good for him.

I know what you are saying,Fred had no time for david because bea destested him,and was vile about every part of his being which freddie found funny at times.

Dave went along with lisa because lisa destested freddie but he was and neither was fred half as bad as bea and lisa were to freddie.

Fred stood up beside bea and let rip to dave because bea hated him.

They all nominated him,but it was the public who put him out not them.Having made their own judgements.

I agree tactically you vote to keep yourself in thats what they all are desperate for.

freddie brought freddie down, some dopey sanctified image he had of bea in his head, in spite of evidence to the contrary he chose to carry on believing it,he chose not to listen and he chose not to see.
and when it became painfully obvious he had a 'panic attack' and blamed her.

silly sod he could have won.

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Originally posted by Senora Reyes:

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Originally posted by subatomic partygirl:

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Originally posted by Senora Reyes:


Bea just did Lisa's dirty work, so it suited Lisa(More so her than Dave) to be mates with Bea.

Now that, I can see, Senora.

You know something though? I'm not sure that Lisa has the intelligence to do 'long term, detailed strategy'. I think she has a gut feeling and snapshot judgement of people that's pretty hard to shake off (regardless of their behaviour) and she's quite adept at, (opportunistically), comandeering a totally unrelated situation to achieve her overall aims.

Lisa might not be book smart, but she is crafty, so I've never underestimated her.

That's it exactly. Innately crafty.

I thought Dave handled Bea well tonight, to me she did come over as wrong after saying last week she had felt quilty, that is bullshit. Good on Dave

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Originally posted by JacksonB:
freddie brought freddie down, some dopey sanctified image he had of bea in his head, in spite of evidence to the contrary he chose to carry on believing it,he chose not to listen and he chose not to see.
and when it became painfully obvious he had a 'panic attack' and blamed her.

silly sod he could have won.

it happens to us all, its hard to believe someone can be so devious before your eyes, been there and had the experience.

She has looked down her nose at him from day one .....she feels superior. she sucked up to him to avoid nomination.

She is one snobby, nasty, bitch.


Dave was taken in .........i really cannot imagine how hurt he'll be when he sees the snobby, horrible things she's said about him.

She disgusts me TBH. All this talk of morals ........she really has no idea.

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Originally posted by Justafriend:

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Originally posted by JacksonB:
freddie brought freddie down, some dopey sanctified image he had of bea in his head, in spite of evidence to the contrary he chose to carry on believing it,he chose not to listen and he chose not to see.
and when it became painfully obvious he had a 'panic attack' and blamed her.

silly sod he could have won.

it happens to us all, its hard to believe someone can be so devious before your eyes, been there and had the experience.

he had this vision of her as the free love,hippy intellectual who was sweet and 'on his level', then he joined in the bitching and sneering and enjoyed it, it stroked his ego, he never once said' no sweet sanctified bea don't say nasty things' because he 'wanted to throw her over his shoulder and get her into the bedroom'

all his standards went out of the window and that's when he lost it.

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Originally posted by JacksonB:

he had this vision of her as the free love,hippy intellectual who was sweet and 'on his level', then he joined in the bitching and sneering and enjoyed it, it stroked his ego, he never once said' no sweet sanctified bea don't say nasty things' because he 'wanted to throw her over his shoulder and get her into the bedroom'

all his standards went out of the window and that's when he lost it.

As a Freddie fan that's hard to hear, but have to admit it's true.

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Originally posted by JacksonB:

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Originally posted by Justafriend:

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Originally posted by JacksonB:
freddie brought freddie down, some dopey sanctified image he had of bea in his head, in spite of evidence to the contrary he chose to carry on believing it,he chose not to listen and he chose not to see.
and when it became painfully obvious he had a 'panic attack' and blamed her.

silly sod he could have won.

it happens to us all, its hard to believe someone can be so devious before your eyes, been there and had the experience.

he had this vision of her as the free love,hippy intellectual who was sweet and 'on his level', then he joined in the bitching and sneering and enjoyed it, it stroked his ego, he never once said' no sweet sanctified bea don't say nasty things' because he 'wanted to throw her over his shoulder and get her into the bedroom'

all his standards went out of the window and that's when he lost it.

I can buy that. Freddie was his own worst enemy.

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Originally posted by JacksonB:

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Originally posted by Justafriend:

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Originally posted by JacksonB:
freddie brought freddie down, some dopey sanctified image he had of bea in his head, in spite of evidence to the contrary he chose to carry on believing it,he chose not to listen and he chose not to see.
and when it became painfully obvious he had a 'panic attack' and blamed her.

silly sod he could have won.

it happens to us all, its hard to believe someone can be so devious before your eyes, been there and had the experience.

he had this vision of her as the free love,hippy intellectual who was sweet and 'on his level', then he joined in the bitching and sneering and enjoyed it, it stroked his ego, he never once said' no sweet sanctified bea don't say nasty things' because he 'wanted to throw her over his shoulder and get her into the bedroom'

all his standards went out of the window and that's when he lost it.

ok, but she made him believe that when she entered the house,thats how she portrayed herself.

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Originally posted by pretty~cocoa~eyes:
Sorry chickheart, I disagree with ya... David felt hurt by Bea...

yes thats how I see it, he felt betrayed by the Beatch, he has supported and comforted her more than anyone else and she tells him lies and betrays, I cant wait for Friday when she goes she really is a nasty person.

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Originally posted by Justafriend:

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Originally posted by JacksonB:

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Originally posted by Justafriend:

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Originally posted by JacksonB:
freddie brought freddie down, some dopey sanctified image he had of bea in his head, in spite of evidence to the contrary he chose to carry on believing it,he chose not to listen and he chose not to see.
and when it became painfully obvious he had a 'panic attack' and blamed her.

silly sod he could have won.

it happens to us all, its hard to believe someone can be so devious before your eyes, been there and had the experience.

he had this vision of her as the free love,hippy intellectual who was sweet and 'on his level', then he joined in the bitching and sneering and enjoyed it, it stroked his ego, he never once said' no sweet sanctified bea don't say nasty things' because he 'wanted to throw her over his shoulder and get her into the bedroom'

all his standards went out of the window and that's when he lost it.

ok, but she made him believe that when she entered the house,thats how she portrayed herself.

initially yes, but it didn't last long, she couldn't hide how she was, there was plenty of evidence,and now post downfall, in the calm light of day, it's all about bea, but it's not really, it's a handy hook to to hang his dignity on.

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Originally posted by Soozy woo:
She has looked down her nose at him from day one .....she feels superior. she sucked up to him to avoid nomination.

She is one snobby, nasty, bitch.


Dave was taken in .........i really cannot imagine how hurt he'll be when he sees the snobby, horrible things she's said about him.

She disgusts me TBH. All this talk of morals ........she really has no idea.

I totally agree with you,and for every nasty word she said about i cheered him on tonight.

Fair enough when you do not like someone but she was just vile and a complete snob.

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Originally posted by cup:

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Originally posted by Soozy woo:
She has looked down her nose at him from day one .....she feels superior. she sucked up to him to avoid nomination.

She is one snobby, nasty, bitch.


Dave was taken in .........i really cannot imagine how hurt he'll be when he sees the snobby, horrible things she's said about him.

She disgusts me TBH. All this talk of morals ........she really has no idea.

I totally agree with you,and for every nasty word she said about i cheered him on tonight.

Fair enough when you do not like someone but she was just vile and a complete snob.

ABSOLOUTELY. I can sort of understand differences of opinion but I cannot get my head around snobbery........I hate people who look down on others through some sort of social superiority. She really disgusts me TBH ..........nasty, horrible person.

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Originally posted by JacksonB:

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Originally posted by Justafriend:

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Originally posted by JacksonB:

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Originally posted by Justafriend:

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Originally posted by JacksonB:
freddie brought freddie down, some dopey sanctified image he had of bea in his head, in spite of evidence to the contrary he chose to carry on believing it,he chose not to listen and he chose not to see.
and when it became painfully obvious he had a 'panic attack' and blamed her.

silly sod he could have won.

it happens to us all, its hard to believe someone can be so devious before your eyes, been there and had the experience.

he had this vision of her as the free love,hippy intellectual who was sweet and 'on his level', then he joined in the bitching and sneering and enjoyed it, it stroked his ego, he never once said' no sweet sanctified bea don't say nasty things' because he 'wanted to throw her over his shoulder and get her into the bedroom'

all his standards went out of the window and that's when he lost it.

ok, but she made him believe that when she entered the house,thats how she portrayed herself.

initially yes, but it didn't last long, she couldn't hide how she was, there was plenty of evidence,and now post downfall, in the calm light of day, it's all about bea, but it's not really, it's a handy hook to to hang his dignity on.

Freddie want blinded by a potetnial shag and a ahem *A helping hand*
After that he lost all logic.

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Originally posted by JacksonB:

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Originally posted by Justafriend:

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Originally posted by JacksonB:

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Originally posted by Justafriend:

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Originally posted by JacksonB:
freddie brought freddie down, some dopey sanctified image he had of bea in his head, in spite of evidence to the contrary he chose to carry on believing it,he chose not to listen and he chose not to see.
and when it became painfully obvious he had a 'panic attack' and blamed her.

silly sod he could have won.

it happens to us all, its hard to believe someone can be so devious before your eyes, been there and had the experience.

he had this vision of her as the free love,hippy intellectual who was sweet and 'on his level', then he joined in the bitching and sneering and enjoyed it, it stroked his ego, he never once said' no sweet sanctified bea don't say nasty things' because he 'wanted to throw her over his shoulder and get her into the bedroom'

all his standards went out of the window and that's when he lost it.

ok, but she made him believe that when she entered the house,thats how she portrayed herself.

initially yes, but it didn't last long, she couldn't hide how she was, there was plenty of evidence,and now post downfall, in the calm light of day, it's all about bea, but it's not really, it's a handy hook to to hang his dignity on.

so she lied and why did she attach herself to him, when she really saw him as a t**t.(her words).
anyway it dont really matter anymore.
think we were talking about dave in the thread sorry senora.

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Originally posted by Soozy woo:

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Originally posted by cup:

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Originally posted by Soozy woo:
She has looked down her nose at him from day one .....she feels superior. she sucked up to him to avoid nomination.

She is one snobby, nasty, bitch.


Dave was taken in .........i really cannot imagine how hurt he'll be when he sees the snobby, horrible things she's said about him.

She disgusts me TBH. All this talk of morals ........she really has no idea.

I totally agree with you,and for every nasty word she said about i cheered him on tonight.

Fair enough when you do not like someone but she was just vile and a complete snob.

ABSOLOUTELY. I can sort of understand differences of opinion but I cannot get my head around snobbery........I hate people who look down on others through some sort of social superiority. She really disgusts me TBH ..........nasty, horrible person.

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Originally posted by Justafriend:
sorry senora.

justafriend is right, i've gone on a bit,sorry senora.

I have said before i would have loved fred and dave to have become good mates in there.

I think they would have been hilarous together.

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Originally posted by Senora Reyes:

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Originally posted by Justafriend:
sorry senora.

back at ya

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Originally posted by JacksonB:
justafriend is right, i've gone on a bit,sorry senora.

No probs hun, I just love the fact that we can agree and disagree, without descending into personal stuff, I've enjoyed the debate.

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Originally posted by JacksonB:
justafriend is right, i've gone on a bit,sorry senora.

horrayyyyyyyy i got something right.

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Originally posted by cup:
I have said before i would have loved fred and dave to have become good mates in there.

I think they would have been hilarous together.

yeah you probably right there cup.

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Originally posted by Justafriend:

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Originally posted by JacksonB:
justafriend is right, i've gone on a bit,sorry senora.

horrayyyyyyyy i got something right.

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Originally posted by JacksonB:

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Originally posted by Justafriend:

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Originally posted by JacksonB:
justafriend is right, i've gone on a bit,sorry senora.

horrayyyyyyyy i got something right.

back at you too

Bea had seven people to nominate and she picks her 'best' friend Dave
If you listened to her conversations with Freddie you have the reason why she dislikes Lisa and Dave. She is an intellectual snob.

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Originally posted by paace:
Bea had seven people to nominate and she picks her 'best' friend Dave
If you listened to her conversations with Freddie you have the reason why she dislikes Lisa and Dave. She is an intellectual snob.

SPOT ON ...............i feel sorry for her that she can look no further than the end of her stuck up nose. Dave really thought that they'd had a breakthrough ............she was simply using him to avoid nomination.

she really is a horrible person IMo.

bump

Sorry, Senora, but I have to disagree. David knew that at least two other people nominated him and he didn't go after any of the others. Bea lied to his face when he asked her previously if she had nominated him.

hmm i must admit he did go overboard and i really didnt buy him saying "i dont care about being up" a million times.

On live feed last night he seemed really upset to be up for eviction.

I am suspect about him to be honest