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Originally posted by Tayto:
It was interesting to hear yer woman saying to Freddie last night that he isn't a good judge of character.
Were Lisa and Co accused in the wrong in the first few weeks? Lisa doesn't seem near as nasty now. She has the measure of Bea and I'm wondering if she will just let Bea dig her own grave or do battle with her.
The whole game has changed and the numbers have stacked up in Team Nasty's favour since the newbies came in.

you know i think lisa and the others felt awed by the intelligensia and rather than be cowed by it, ganged together in the face of it.
which made them a 'group' to target.they probably just felt inferior.
freddie being a posh bloke, made it even worse,overtones of privilege and public shools etc.
some of them have said at one time or another, that they feel unable to debate/argue/dicuss things because they don't have the words or intellect.
and being made to feel of their inferiority, even when it's unintentional, can make you big yourself up by trying to take others down, like they did with freddie.

on the other hand they could just be arseholes...

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Right, so that's 2 votes for Bea then me thinks

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i tend to agree ,clip, but it doesn't have to be flaunted, it just is and they probably had pre conceived ideas of what posh people are like, that's enough.

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Originally posted by tupps:
I think what Tom said in his BBLB interview after his runner was very telling. He said that when he watched Team Lisa having pops at Freddie and saying he was a pain in the azz to live with he couldn't understand it, because he hadn't seen it from watching as a punter.

He went on to say that, once in the house, he felt the same way... Freddie was indeed a bit of a 'mare to live with and he understood why they were saying that... and remember, Tom was only in there for a short period of time... if what he says is correct then weeks of it are going to fry your noodle.

That does not excuse how Team Lisa reacted of course, but it might go some way to explaining it.

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Originally posted by Clipboard:

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Originally posted by tupps:
I think what Tom said in his BBLB interview after his runner was very telling. He said that when he watched Team Lisa having pops at Freddie and saying he was a pain in the azz to live with he couldn't understand it, because he hadn't seen it from watching as a punter.

He went on to say that, once in the house, he felt the same way... Freddie was indeed a bit of a 'mare to live with and he understood why they were saying that... and remember, Tom was only in there for a short period of time... if what he says is correct then weeks of it are going to fry your noodle.

That does not excuse how Team Lisa reacted of course, but it might go some way to explaining it.

I hear what you say but still think they just adopted an ignorant and probably jealous attitude towards him. They knew that he was essentially a good bloke who only changed for a short while through being under constant attack and provocation.

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Originally posted by Senora Reyes:
Hang on guys if she's up against david she might stay...

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Originally posted by tupps:

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Originally posted by Clipboard:

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Originally posted by tupps:
I think what Tom said in his BBLB interview after his runner was very telling. He said that when he watched Team Lisa having pops at Freddie and saying he was a pain in the azz to live with he couldn't understand it, because he hadn't seen it from watching as a punter.

He went on to say that, once in the house, he felt the same way... Freddie was indeed a bit of a 'mare to live with and he understood why they were saying that... and remember, Tom was only in there for a short period of time... if what he says is correct then weeks of it are going to fry your noodle.

That does not excuse how Team Lisa reacted of course, but it might go some way to explaining it.

I hear what you say but still think they just adopted an ignorant and probably jealous attitude towards him. They knew that he was essentially a good bloke who only changed for a short while through being under constant attack and provocation.

What it boils down to is.. they exhibited normal and basic human behaviour.. slightly intensified by the fact they are in a competition granted, but normal human behaviour all the same. It happens every year on BB and this was no exception. Groups are formed with people you have some common ground with. Freddie had no common ground with any other HM and whilst he talks a good game about reading people and social skills he is infact rubbish at both. So he didn't even have that to fall back on. This made him a weaker member of the house. If you couple that with annoying mannerisms or personality traits then you are on a one way ticket to exclusionville.

I don't believe that Freddie's change was an aberration. I think he is entirely capable of being negative, or cruel, or mocking, or unfair, or unreasonable etc., but that's because he is multi-facted... but then aren't we all.

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Originally posted by Clipboard:

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Originally posted by tupps:

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Originally posted by Clipboard:

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Originally posted by tupps:
I think what Tom said in his BBLB interview after his runner was very telling. He said that when he watched Team Lisa having pops at Freddie and saying he was a pain in the azz to live with he couldn't understand it, because he hadn't seen it from watching as a punter.

He went on to say that, once in the house, he felt the same way... Freddie was indeed a bit of a 'mare to live with and he understood why they were saying that... and remember, Tom was only in there for a short period of time... if what he says is correct then weeks of it are going to fry your noodle.

That does not excuse how Team Lisa reacted of course, but it might go some way to explaining it.

I hear what you say but still think they just adopted an ignorant and probably jealous attitude towards him. They knew that he was essentially a good bloke who only changed for a short while through being under constant attack and provocation.

What it boils down to is.. they exhibited normal and basic human behaviour.. slightly intensified by the fact they are in a competition granted, but normal human behaviour all the same. It happens every year on BB and this was no exception. Groups are formed with people you have some common ground with. Freddie had no common ground with any other HM and whilst he talks a good game about reading people and social skills he is infact rubbish at both. So he didn't even have that to fall back on. This made him a weaker member of the house. If you couple that with annoying mannerisms or personality traits then you are on a one way ticket to exclusionville.

I don't believe that Freddie's change was an aberration. I think he is entirely capable of being negative, or cruel, or mocking, or unfair, or unreasonable etc., but that's because he is multi-facted... but then aren't we all.

In answer to your last sentence, when under attack yes, we all have a safety mechanism

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Originally posted by tupps:

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Originally posted by Clipboard:

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Originally posted by tupps:
I think what Tom said in his BBLB interview after his runner was very telling. He said that when he watched Team Lisa having pops at Freddie and saying he was a pain in the azz to live with he couldn't understand it, because he hadn't seen it from watching as a punter.

He went on to say that, once in the house, he felt the same way... Freddie was indeed a bit of a 'mare to live with and he understood why they were saying that... and remember, Tom was only in there for a short period of time... if what he says is correct then weeks of it are going to fry your noodle.

That does not excuse how Team Lisa reacted of course, but it might go some way to explaining it.

I hear what you say but still think they just adopted an ignorant and probably jealous attitude towards him. They knew that he was essentially a good bloke who only changed for a short while through being under constant attack and provocation.

What it boils down to is.. they exhibited normal and basic human behaviour.. slightly intensified by the fact they are in a competition granted, but normal human behaviour all the same. It happens every year on BB and this was no exception. Groups are formed with people you have some common ground with. Freddie had no common ground with any other HM and whilst he talks a good game about reading people and social skills he is infact rubbish at both. So he didn't even have that to fall back on. This made him a weaker member of the house. If you couple that with annoying mannerisms or personality traits then you are on a one way ticket to exclusionville.

I don't believe that Freddie's change was an aberration. I think he is entirely capable of being negative, or cruel, or mocking, or unfair, or unreasonable etc., but that's because he is multi-facted... but then aren't we all.

In answer to your last sentence, when under attack yes, we all have a safety mechanism

I think you're doing Freddie an injustice by implying it was some kind of knee jerk reaction to stress or some such factor. He was not quite as green as he was cabbage looking.. His chat with Marcus & Siavash in the garden after noms were announced was testament to that.

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Originally posted by Clipboard:
Well, we could go on and on here Tupps with no resolve because I think Freddie genuinely fell for Marcus' wish to be evicted() and said what he did was because of it. I do not think he would be so pompous as to say such things otherwise.

Thanks for the chat, it's good to get a different opinion

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Originally posted by cologne1:
What goes round and all that.

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Originally posted by JacksonB:
i tend to agree ,clip, but it doesn't have to be flaunted, it just is and they probably had pre conceived ideas of what posh people are like, that's enough.

as far as we saw, freddie only spoke about it, when HMs asked him about it. that not flaunting anything, its just being truthful in answering their probing questions. And being class phobics they made something out of nothing.